Speaker 1: 0:00

You won't know I'm coming for you until it's too late. There won't be a sign that I'm there until I'm there. And once I'm there, you can't get away from me. You can't escape me. If I know your name, I know your face, you're done. I will be your nightmare. I will be the reaper that comes for you. You cannot get away from me. I will be the death card. I am the death card for those people, and if anybody's listening.

Speaker 2: 0:29

Knock it, the fuck off. Thank you for tuning in to this episode of the Redacted Podcast. I am your host, matt Bender. This interview is probably one of the most intense interviews I've ever done. We just got done recording it a few hours ago and I had to kind of collect my thoughts in order to do this prologue. Before you listen to this episode, there's three points I need to address.

Speaker 2: 1:02

The first one is I definitely need to put a trigger warning out there. This interview contains very graphic depictions and descriptions of sexual assault, rape, violence and murder. So if you're sensitive to any of that, this is probably not the episode for you. It's hard, it is a hard subject, sorry. The second point we need to address here is credibility.

Speaker 2: 1:40

So when this guest first approached me for the story it sounded almost unbelievable and we've all seen, you know, to Catch a Predator shows like that and there's different YouTube channels where people go after and kind of hunt pedophiles and out them and, you know, call the police. This isn't that. This is more like Dexter. So when I first spoke with him, I was skeptical and this is before we recorded the interview and the more I spoke with him the things he was saying, the way he described events and different things he's seen and experienced, the more credible he became. And typically all of our guests are anonymous, but we will still vet them beforehand. All of our guests are anonymous, but we will still vet them beforehand. We will still try to find some corroborative evidence or pictures or employee badges or things like that so that we don't get people coming on the show and just giving out bad information For this guest and, for obvious and legal reasons, we didn't want any of that. I didn't want to have any corroborative evidence and as you listen to it, you'll understand why.

Speaker 2: 3:29

Also, as you listen to this episode, form your own opinion on the credibility and whether or not what he's saying is accurate, which kind of brings me to my third point vigilante justice and the continuing problem we have in this country with sex trafficking. So I mean and it's no secret, it's all over the mainstream media there is a sex trafficking crisis, especially at the southern border, and there's estimates that anywhere between 200 and 500 gangs are involved in bringing underage minors into this country for the purpose of sex slavery, and that's sorry, that's disturbing, that's extremely disturbing, that's disturbing, that's extremely disturbing. And this guy, this guest that we interview, is doing something about it, for lack of a better phrase. And there's others, as you'll hear, there's others that are, and I mean that's no secret. There are people like that out there that are doing this and, whether you think it's right or wrong, it's happening.

Speaker 2: 4:56

But it also shows the shortfalls of our government and our law enforcement. We shouldn't have to have people out there doing this. This should be taken care of. This should be solved. But it's not, and you can answer your own questions on why it's not getting. But at any rate he's out there, he's doing this. Right or wrong, it's what's happening and that's not our job here is to determine right or wrong. But I for one am glad that there are organizations and there are private people that are trying to fill the gaps that the government is leaving behind. So, without further ado, enjoy the show. Thanks for coming on. You have a kind of a really interesting and I mean I don't know if you'd call it a hobby or a side project or a mission. I guess hobby is kind of a dumb word.

Speaker 2: 6:47

I think it's a good mix of all of the above. Yeah, yeah, and it's. I mean. What would you call it basically? What would you identify that as?

Speaker 1: 6:58

I look at it as just like a little side job. I think we're good with a little side project. I think it's a good. It's a little project of mine that I do okay, and what is it?

Speaker 2: 7:09

what is that kind of called or labeled? Is that pedophile hunting, or what would you call that? I?

Speaker 1: 7:17

don't really have a specific term, I call it. I just, I just do what I do and I go about my, my daily life, kind of living that double life. I got my regular lifestyle, my family, my job, and then my night, my nighttime little side job is is going after people that hurt children.

Speaker 2: 7:37

And I know that we talked that you were in the military first, so you, you know served so you served in the Marines yes, I was Okay and then you served overseas in combat zones.

Speaker 1: 7:55

Yes, I did. I've been to Kabul, Afghanistan, while I was serving as a force reconnaissance Marine.

Speaker 2: 8:03

Okay, and what was that like? What was some of your training and some of the experiences you had over there?

Speaker 1: 8:11

It was interesting. We went over there kind of around the time frame when the Afghan refugees were getting pulled to America and we went on a tactical response after some troops were killed and it was more. We're doing a lot of just kind of foot patrols making sure nothing happened while our our guys were doing humanitarian work as far as like helping refugees and things like that, and upon entering different villages we saw different things, experienced a lot of different things, different like fights, combat zones and uh and like how you and I, how you and I spoke about when we entered the one house and found several men attacking a young boy, which kind of sparked a lot of what I do now.

Speaker 2: 8:55

And that's something that I think a lot of people don't realize is kind of culturally common in Afghanistan or in yeah, it is, unfortunately extremely common. What was your experiences and what did you kind of learn about that? And was that also kind of a shock to you coming from here where that's not obviously culturally acceptable? What was that like?

Speaker 1: 9:26

culturally acceptable. What was that like? We were told about it in advance, before we went out there, that we may see victims of rape, murder, things like that. We were told there's a high likeliness that we would see it over there. However, in nine times out of 10, the US troops that are in a unit like mine are not allowed to engage those, those offenders, and it's unfortunate. But we're not allowed, um, because a lot of things.

Speaker 1: 9:50

If we're on a private mission and we go over there and see something and we engage, that, that'll give up our mission and then once we leave it'll turn around and happen again. So we're we're unfortunate. We're not allowed to react to certain things or are allowed to engage certain people. But every now and then you'll get a little time where you're kind of alone and you can kind of do something quietly. But we knew, we knew about it going in, we were, we were told in advance to expect that, to see that kind of thing, um, but once you see it in person, it's definitely a shock having to witness it and not be able to act on it.

Speaker 2: 10:22

Yeah, and that was um yeah and that was against. I remember when we were over there in what was it 2002, 2003,?

Speaker 2: 10:32

it was against the rules of engagement. You were not supposed to kind of involve yourself in, I guess, what you'd call civilian matters. Exactly, if they're not attacking us, if they're not messing with our stuff, if they're not doing anything towards us or terrorism or anything like that, exactly it could be considered a war crime. Yeah, we were not supposed to engage them. And I know myself and a lot of guys just would see horrible things, cure horrible things, witness horrible things and you kind of have your hands tied and there you are. I mean you're strapped up, I mean you're locked and loaded. You have the entire force of the United States military behind you. You got equipment, you got Intel, you got air support.

Speaker 1: 11:28

And you have full capability to do whatever you need to do. You just can't. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:33

And it's it's frustrating and I don't think people realize how often? I mean we would even see things like like they had the opium thing going on or the poppy, you know heroin, and that stuff was getting made into heroin and sent back to the States and killing the kids we went to high school with Exactly. So it's frustrating Like this is going on right under our noses and there's not shit we can do about it, because we'll end up in fucking leavenworth yeah, and it's.

Speaker 1: 12:10

It's unfortunate. It sucks because I feel like a lot of guys that, like a lot of vets that have killed themselves or suffer mentally, isn't even necessarily comorally the things they saw, they couldn't stop. It'll mess you up watching somebody who you know is innocent or somebody who may have taken a slice of bread because they don't have anything over there getting murdered for it or getting their hands cut off or something like that.

Speaker 2: 12:30

Yeah, yeah, and that's um. That's tough to know. You couldn't do anything, you feel helpless.

Speaker 1: 12:38

Yeah, you, you come home and it bothers you knowing that, like you know, you had to leave those people over there dealing with that and there's, and you had full capability to help them but you couldn't.

Speaker 2: 12:46

Yeah, I think you kind of hit on a good point there, because, well, we saw horrific things that the people would do over in Afghanistan in particular. We also I mean, we liked the innocent people. We wanted to save them, we wanted to help them. We didn't want the regular, you know, civilian suffering. That's not. That was something that was hard to watch.

Speaker 2: 13:25

You know, we didn't want to see a 15-year-old girl get stoned that's horrifying and not be able to do anything because in our kind of sense and judgment that's not right. We're not used to that. We have a relatively docile society as far as that goes. We don't stone people. We don't allow the open harvesting of drugs. We don't allow open pedophilia. We don't allow a lot of the things that they allow culturally, unless you're California, right?

Speaker 2: 14:02

Oh yeah, that's a whole fucked up can of worms itself, unless you're California, right? Oh yeah, yeah, that's a whole fucked up can of worms itself. Um, but yeah, that was. That was always, uh, something that I think a lot of people don't understand that those of us who went over there, that's some of the most haunting things is it is.

Speaker 1: 14:23

There's nothing more haunting than seeing especially children in pain, which is why I do what I do now. It's extremely, it'll haunt you, It'll keep you up at night knowing that you got kids at home. But there's some kid over there, the exact same age, getting victimized and tortured to death and there's not a damn thing you can do about it and you have to watch it happen. And it sucks when those people see you and they're hoping that you step in and help them but you just can't.

Speaker 2: 14:54

What was the first kind of encounter you had where you would witness something like that?

Speaker 1: 15:02

Could you describe that a little for us? Yeah, so the first encounter I actually did go against the engagement rule and I did engage the person. We were able to do it quietly and have the mission accomplished and be out of there by the time it was realized which we had to face that when it came, because it eventually came to light, but we were doing a regular patrol we heard a kid crying, turning into kind of like a pain type scream, and we went and entered, uh, forced our way into a building in a little village in cabal, where we found three grown men assaulting a little boy, probably about six or seven years old, and uh and we, we set down our stuff. They, as soon as we walked in, they stopped, kind of put their hands up because there were three Marines standing in there, for Marines standing in there. Plus, we had the rest of the firing squad was sitting right outside the building, cause I had a. I had a team of seven guys that were walking through and we went in that little room, set our stuff down and proceeded to pretty much beat them half to death, because if we fired a shot that would cause problems, that was too loud and even even though our rifles were suppressed, that'll still make a loud enough pop where it could be heard by where our command center was. We proceeded to beat them within damn near an inch of their life until we resulted to just taking out k-bars.

Speaker 1: 16:20

Once k-bars came out, we one of the firing guys, one of my firing team leads removed the kid so that he wouldn't see that kind of thing, wrapped him up in a little jacket that was sitting in the room and then they they escorted him out of the, out of that little building. When we got by the time we were done and came outside, he was already gone. So he went off with, got taken somewhere else in the village. But we did God's work in that room and made sure that those guys aren't wasting the air of those children in that town anymore and got back to command center. They asked us how the patrol went, anything to report to the following guys, and it was like nope, everything's good, all that's fine, and kind of kept it just under the rug a little bit Because we were able to engage that quietly Until we finished what our job was while we were there and came home.

Speaker 2: 17:10

Wow, I mean, and everyone else that was with you was obviously probably feeling the same way. Yeah, I don't think you get a lot of argument Like I know how combat units roll yeah, I don't think you get a lot of argument like I know how combat units roll and I don't think you had a lot of people saying nah, like.

Speaker 1: 17:34

We have one guy that was a little bit leery of the situation. He was new, it was his first first trip, first unit, everything. He'd only been in for probably about a year, he hasn't experienced much yet, and so he was a little bit leery on the subject. He didn't want to get in trouble, but he was one of the ones that waited outside for a reason. We kind of walked in, looked at each other and kind of gave a little nod of like, yeah, let's do this, fuck it, we have to watch enough. We're not going to watch this one. And listening to that child scream, we weren not going to watch this one. And listening to that child scream, we weren't going to turn around and walk out of the room and shut the door and let it happen and I mean I think a lot of people I mean that would that would hear this might think that they would react differently.

Speaker 2: 18:21

Either way, I think some people think they would show restraint, and it's probably one of those things you can't imagine until you're in that situation.

Speaker 1: 18:35

Yeah, it absolutely is, because that's conversations we've had Like what if we see this, this kind of thing, and we have the way we said, we would probably react. But once you're in the situation, it's heat of the moment. We didn't really realize everything that happened until after. Afterwards you're like damn, that really just happened. You know like we just did that. Now we got to cover our asses, otherwise we're going to end up in the brig and then and to the on the other side of it.

Speaker 2: 19:02

I mean there's a, there's a lot at stake there, because you could end up in jail. I mean you could end up and you're going to lose your career, you're going to, you know, lose whatever you've worked for and you could end up in jail. So on the other side, where some people think they they might show restraint, I think other people that may be listening to these types of stories would think, yeah, I'd, I'd kill the motherfucker too, but yeah, it's a, there's a lot, there's a lot of distinct.

Speaker 1: 19:31

So there still was. There still was a little bit of hesitation. That was the first life that I ever took. And so there still was. There still was a little bit of hesitation. That was the first life that I ever took. And so there's there's there's hesitation once the decision was made to actually, um, end their life. Um, because it was like we could just beat them half to death. But once they're recovered, they're going to do the same thing again once we're gone. So once the decision was made of, okay, knives are coming out, then it's like like okay, this is really happening, like are we actually going to do this right now? And there was that slight hesitation, a little look at each other a little not really discussion, because you don't want your voice heard, but it's, where are we going to? We're going to do this, okay, let's, let's just send it, let's go all the way, like we're already this far and we're going to go and finish the job.

Speaker 2: 20:11

We're going to go and finish the job. Yeah, yeah, it's like Mike Tyson says. You know, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. And I think you guys got punched in the face a little and you made your decisions and it's hard to second guess.

Speaker 1: 20:37

It's hard to sit here and second guess the decisions and the actions that you I don't I don't regret it at all um, it did come back to us on base um, once we were in the states. We were back home for probably four or five months and it came. It came up, they held a battalion meeting and discussed the situation but then never decided to pinpoint the marines name. So it was kind of like they knew about it, they, they, they agreed with the decision, but they had to have some sort of repercussion to prevent any kind of battalion issue. So they kind of had the discussion, they knew who it was but didn't pinpoint it. They said they didn't find which Marine squadron it was.

Speaker 1: 21:11

But it was pretty obvious when we were getting eyeballed by command, we knew exactly they. But it was pretty obvious when we were getting eyeballed by command, we knew exactly they knew what was happening. But it gets to a point where, like they, they understood what we did and why we did it. You know, um, and I think a lot of people that don't experience that, that a lot of people are like oh, yeah, I'd kill that motherfucker. I think everybody wants to be, everybody wants to be the badass, wants to be the hero, until it's time to be the hero, and then it's kind of now you got to see how you're going to react in the situation you know.

Speaker 2: 21:39

Well, yeah, that goes without saying. I think people like to armchair quarterback situations like this all the time and think that they would.

Speaker 2: 21:50

It's kind of with your story and you know with what you do now it's, I think it's one of those things that it's controversial but it's hard to imagine and I think everyone has their thought on it without any action behind it. And hearing this, you know it. I mean, I've never done anything like like that specifically, so it's even hard for me to kind of wrap my head around it and understand, because you know there's a lot at stake and I mean you're, you're taking a life, yeah, and that's, that's not something that's light. I mean taking a life of someone who's trying to kill you. In those situations you know that that our soldiers have faced. That makes a little more sense, because that's, that's a little okay. It it's you or it's me right now.

Speaker 1: 22:54

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 22:58

But when you get into these right and wrong situations, these situations with just pure evil. People that aren't harming you. They weren't harming you, but it's yeah, that's a hard one.

Speaker 1: 23:14

I think, at the end of the day, it's our job to protect the people who can't protect themselves. I think if you're a capable person of protecting yourself and other people, you should at all costs Like, yeah, we risked a lot, but that little boy's not getting hurt anymore, so would the punishment have been worth it In our eyes? Yes, but it's a very touchy subject. You know, like I wouldn't have frowned upon a different group of marines walking out to save their career, but I would have been more pleased if another group did the same thing.

Speaker 1: 23:47

You know yeah, yeah, I mean that, and I think that's important too is, you know, you couldn't necessarily judge someone for not taking the same actions a group, necessarily following orders and not engaging it, but I think the vast majority in that situation would have probably done something similar, knowing the circumstances of okay, we're quiet, we're in a private building, there's no one here, we can do this quietly.

Speaker 2: 24:36

I think a lot of Marines would have done similar actions. Was that the first time you had witnessed anything like that or was that the first time you'd taken action, and so both okay.

Speaker 1: 24:48

Well, that was the first time I actually witnessed like a child assault happening. It's happened in my family before. We're not gonna say like a specific assault happening. It's happened in my family before we're not going to say like a specific family member, but it happened. It's happened to family members before in the past when I was younger, to a seven-year-old family member of mine, so I knew of it and I and it and it bothered me and I wanted to do something about it. But I was a child. You know there's not much I could really do and I went in the military at 17, and my first trip to Afghanistan I saw that. So it was like, okay, this time I could do something you know it kind of connected.

Speaker 2: 25:21

a dot for you.

Speaker 1: 25:23

Exactly, it was more of like. It was kind of relieving, like it's like okay, this is. I wasn't able to protect the family member then and stop it, but here I can.

Speaker 2: 25:35

so I absolutely I took, I took that that opportunity once it was handed to me, and I I'm sure that people who do similar things to what you do and and I've kind of seen it that there seems to be a recurring theme of kind of seen it that there there seems to be a recurring theme of having experienced it or having someone that you, that you love, having experienced, you know, some kind of an assault that, yeah, it connects it to you personally, which drives you a little bit more towards it, versus just doing it to be a try to to be a good person.

Speaker 1: 26:13

I think if you experience something, there's that personal connection in it which drives you to do things differently, whether that be more brutally, more extensively. Um, if you've experienced it, you take it a lot more personally.

Speaker 2: 26:29

Yeah, and I mean thank God there's a lot of people out there that haven't experienced that or haven't had a loved one experience that, and it's hard to understand because the feeling of helplessness I'm sure you had and you know it's traumatic Because that's you know a little bit what we were talking about witnessing things overseas that you can't do anything about.

Speaker 2: 27:01

If that goes back to your childhood or to a loved one, to a family member or even to yourself, I mean that's traumatic because you know what happened. You couldn't do anything or you had't do anything or you had to watch or you had to experience and that just helplessness and feeling like a victim and that you know, just doubt and self-worth and everything that goes into that Laid into what shaped you Exactly. So it was already kind of something that was top of mind. Yes, and you hear about this and you know you get your briefings and you hear your things before you go into country and you get information and and that just had to you know kind of right spark to the top of your mind like, oh damn, like you almost don't want to see that.

Speaker 1: 28:03

I mean, please, god, let me not see that yeah, you, that's definitely a prayer that gets sent up is I don't, I don't want to experience it. You know, I don't want to see it because I know I can't do anything. Um, but me and me and my crew, once we were briefed, we were kind of like, yeah, if we see this shit, like yeah, we're going to do something, fuck that, fuck the rules. But then obviously we there were several things we saw, but we, we didn't it done. We, we obviously took that. But, um, the thing is, like you, you don't want to see it.

Speaker 1: 28:37

But if somebody's gonna see it, I'd rather it be guys like me, because guys like me it'll we'll be able to either do something and if we can't do something, we'll be able to handle it mentally better than a lot of people. So, like, we don't want to see it. We pray every day that we don't have to witness that and I pray every day that one day I'll be able to stop doing what I'm doing now because it won't be a problem anymore. But if, as long as it's a problem, as long as it's out there to be seen, I want it to be seen by guys like me that will be able to mentally actually handle that situation versus somebody that's going to? You know, drive to some sort of severe depression or suicide. You know drive to some sort of severe depression or suicide, you know.

Speaker 2: 29:16

Yeah, and I think that's important too. Um, it's a, it's a cross to bear, yeah, that's for sure. That's I mean I can't imagine. And um, yeah, that's fucked up, man. But a good way to put it is I guess I'll take it, I'll guess I'll do the dirty work, I'll get my hands dirty, so I can understand that. And just, you know, fighting terrorism, for you know, in some godforsaken country, you know we'll go do it, and I think that's a common thing with all military dudes and females. To women too, I said dudes um, that's something.

Speaker 1: 30:01

that's that you understand when you, when you sign that dotted line. Yeah, you understand me where you're taking that responsibility for other people.

Speaker 2: 30:07

I'll take the nightmares, I'll take the work, I'll take the injuries. I'll take the injuries, I'll take the scars. Yeah, exactly. So in your time over there did you have to do this more often?

Speaker 1: 30:26

Was this something that happened again, or was that the? That was actually the only time that happened with me? I wasn't over there that long. We were there on a tactical response, so that happened during a patrol, and then we came home. We were there on a tactical response, so that happened during a patrol and then we came home.

Speaker 2: 30:51

We did see several things of several different you know types of crimes happening that we couldn't stop over there. It's not looked at as different crimes, but here they're very brutal crimes. We did see several things, but that was the only one we engaged before we left. Okay, um, what other? I mean just similar situations with it from what I remember is primarily young boys.

Speaker 1: 31:03

That were being raped that's what we saw a lot, too, when we we didn't that. That was, I think, what surprised us a lot more than anything was how many, how much was happening to the boys more than girls I didn't.

Speaker 2: 31:18

I never even heard of anything happening to the girls besides the well, they had like that the virgin shaming, like um, yeah, they had that weird and I don't know exactly what it was or if that was. I don't think it was nationwide, but I think it was specific villages or maybe something where they would like the. It was like a ritual where they would inspect the hymen had you heard of that? Yeah, of like a bride to be married and if you know accusations of cheating or accusations of things like that, they weren't dealt with nicely.

Speaker 1: 31:59

No.

Speaker 2: 32:00

A lot of those girls got stoned.

Speaker 1: 32:02

Yeah, um, I I never witnessed anything happening to a girl, which is what kind of caught us off guard is. Everything we saw was with little boys. What are some a lot of people don't understand about those kinds of countries too? Is the boys get from what I saw? The a lot of people don't understand about those kind of countries too? Is the boys get from what I saw assaulted a lot more than the young girls over there? Yeah, that was even the young girls don't live a good life. But young girls don't live a good life by any means. No, they're married off as children and stuff. They're not. They don't live a good life by any means. But as far as public rapes and assaults and things like that, it was predominantly young boys that we saw. We've seen young boys getting grabbed up off the street and kidnapped or taken somewhere, probably to be trafficked. We've seen drug smuggling happening, the sexual assault on that little boy. It was probably all little boys and drugs that we saw.

Speaker 2: 32:58

The young boys over there don't have a good life either. They're kind of thrown to the wolves.

Speaker 1: 33:02

Pretty much. Yeah, they're either raised up to be a part of the terrorist organizations over there or they wish they were dead, or both.

Speaker 2: 33:13

After you got home, you're back in the States. What kind of happened then? What did you? What was, what were your thoughts? What were you thinking? What steps did you start taking? What things did you start doing? How did that play out?

Speaker 1: 33:35

I couldn't get the sound of the screams of that kid out of my head. It was kind of embedded. So after that I was like I'm going to look into it, see if I can do anything on this side of this side of the world, this side of the spectrum as a civilian, where I have a little bit more free range, I'm not as restricted by Department of Defense rules. Where I have a little bit more free range, I'm not as restricted by Department of Defense rules. And so I hopped online on a little chat website and within five minutes I had over 30 replies from men interested in kids and I took the first. There was one that was about 10 miles from me or so from where I lived. I had him meet with what he thought was a child about 20 miles north of us, because I didn't want it being in the same vicinity where my family is. I don't want to be walking through Walmart one day and bump into a family member of his or something. We met at a park location. I thought the guy was kind of stupid, because you should kind of catch on to. You're not going to meet up with a kid at a park in the middle of the night, surrounded by woods and no cars. But he, he took the, he took it and he went for it and we met there and that one actually did not kill.

Speaker 1: 34:47

I gave that to the police, I got everything I needed, called a buddy of mine who's a detective, and then I was like, hey, I got this guy coming out here, this is what he's here to do. And they came in and they arrested him. He was prosecuted a year later, um, on several charges and it turned out he had been doing it for a long time. They found more stuff when they had searched his, like electronics and everything, um, excellent, and he was prosecuted, I think followed the that kind of boosted a little. That boosted my, got my blood going a little bit, you know you were posing as a young girl.

Speaker 1: 35:21

Yeah, the first couple, because I didn't know how else to go about it at first.

Speaker 2: 35:25

So you're posing as a young girl and on you know some kind of a message board or dating site, something that's local, yeah. And you know people are replying like, hey, let's meet up, let that's local. Yeah. And you know people are replying like, hey, let's meet up, let's meet up, yeah. And are you telling them the age right off the bat? Is that kind of the bait? Yeah, so you're posing as an underage girl, okay.

Speaker 1: 35:49

Yeah, that was how I started because I didn't know how else to really dive into that. I didn't know anybody at the time that was doing it. I had heard of things online, different organizations overseas, but I didn't know how else to go about it. But I'm like okay if I pose as a child that I know will pull somebody in and, depending on if that was their first time, like they were kind of just try and test in the waters, or if they had been doing it for a while, would depict on what I would do to them and how would you kind of determine that?

Speaker 1: 36:21

Well, I would like. I'd play it off Like, I think, my first couple I played off as a kid. Like it was like oh well, I'm nervous. I've never been with a man before. Do you know how to take care of somebody like me? That kind of thing. It's like oh yeah, I'll be gentle, this is my first time, but like I'll do my best kind of thing.

Speaker 1: 36:42

And then I could kind of pinpoint like I'd make a little psychological comments or something that would kind of pinpoint whether or not they're being legit with me or not, and once I would make a determination whether or not I think that they're honest I would depict their punishment based on that. And then there'd be several where I'd say the same thing of like oh, I'm not experienced, can you take care of me? Do you have experience in care of somebody my size? And it's like, yes, I've got plenty, don't worry. Say okay, cool You're, you're not going to feel too good later tonight.

Speaker 2: 37:09

Jeez, and like how fucked up is it to have to have these conversations? Oh, it's, it's horrifying, Like I. I can't imagine having to talk with people like that.

Speaker 1: 37:24

And you got to act it out. You got to play the part. Once you're in, you can't, you can't back out. You got to play that part. So having to sit and chat is like the first time I ever did was a 12 year old girl and and it's it's horrifying to think about. You know, it's like like there's really a grown man out there right now doing this, like a 35, 40 year old grown man out there right now looking to victimize a child. And I think I did that, that kind of route, for the first couple months and I think in the first three months I racked 21 people, racked up 21 guys, 15 were arrests, 14 prosecutions.

Speaker 2: 38:07

In the first three months.

Speaker 1: 38:09

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 38:10

Jeez, you must have been busy.

Speaker 1: 38:12

That's a fucking job. Jeez, you must have been busy. That's a fucking job. Yeah, it became a very heavy addiction. Almost every other night I was trying to find somebody. If I wasn't at work, I was trying to find somebody.

Speaker 2: 38:29

If I was at work, I was on the phone trying to find somebody to schedule something you say addiction, and I think that describes it.

Speaker 1: 38:35

Yeah, that's what it became. It became an addiction of mine being able to stop those kind of people. I was hooked, my life revolved around it, to the point I had to ease up a bit because it was like it's cutting into my family. I'm not spending time with my daughter. I'm not spending time with my wife, my son, nothing. It was like I'm stuck, just I'm stuck on. I was just doing that. 24, seven. The second I was free, not doing something, I was on, I was doing it and I eased up. My first three months it was a little over 20 people and I remember of those 2014 were prosecuted. The rest were mine, um, and I determined whether or not I give. I do give some to the police still but I it.

Speaker 2: 39:20

it's very dependent on the evidence that I have, if that makes sense. So if it's flimsy, if you know, but they're not going to be able to prosecute, is that kind of what you're talking about Exactly?

Speaker 1: 39:36

If I've got picture proof and I know for a fact that they're going to get a lot of years racked up, then I'll go ahead and push that. But if I know what they're doing, 100 like you said. If I know what they're doing, but I don't have enough for them to get prosecuted, or there's.

Speaker 2: 39:57

Even the slightest people are just I mean, when you're so obviously you're setting this all up online, you're chatting, do you find like some of these people are just fucking around, they just want to talk about it? This is just like a yeah, they're not going to do anything. I feel like there's got to be a lot of that.

Speaker 1: 40:15

It's just a virtual fantasy. I've experienced a lot to just have that virtual fantasy. They don't even want pictures. They don't want to send pictures, they just want to have that little role play conversation. Those are very difficult for me because I can't do anything about them. I can't go after them because I have nothing to go off of. I can't give them to law enforcement. There's nothing to go off of on it.

Speaker 2: 40:41

It's just a matter of they're not actually breaking a law.

Speaker 1: 40:44

Yeah, no, it's just a fantasy that they just want to talk to a child or tell a child what they want to do, but they will never actually do anything.

Speaker 2: 40:52

Yeah, it's fucked up, but it doesn't meet the criteria, so to speak.

Speaker 1: 40:58

Oh, if I knew where they were, I would absolutely go after them. That would absolutely meet my criteria. Just the fact that they just want to talk about it, yeah.

Speaker 2: 41:10

But not law enforcement criteria.

Speaker 1: 41:13

No Now, given I may not kill them over it, I may not go after their life, but I will go after things that are important their career. I will mess with their life if I could get to them. And I've been able to track down one of those guys, but for the most part it's so anonymous you can't. When they're just trying to talk, there's not much you can do. But they absolutely meet the criteria because, at the end of the day, why are you thinking about children? Why is a child your fantasy? Exactly, that shouldn't even be a fantasy to have to even want to go talk about it. You shouldn't have any kind of arousal from somebody who can't take care of themselves, somebody who needs help getting dressed. You shouldn't have a fantasy about them.

Speaker 2: 41:55

You're perpetuating the problem. Yeah, exactly, either way You're not actually doing?

Speaker 1: 42:01

anything but you're still definitely part of the problem.

Speaker 1: 42:05

Yeah, you're part of the problem 100%. It makes it difficult, though, because I can't. There's nothing to go after. Given, I won't go after those people as heavy if I find them, but, like I said, I will do things that will mess with their life. I may not kill them. They had some little fantasy and by the time they meet me, that fantasy is probably gone because I've. Once they experience me, it's okay. Yeah, I'm not thinking about that ever again. I'm done, but I'm gonna make their life a living hell if I find them. Your family's going to know what you're doing. Your career is going to be shot. Like, I will come after you with everything, but I'm not going to come after your life.

Speaker 2: 42:44

So what was the first one that you handled on your own? What was, what was that one like? What was that? How did that go?

Speaker 1: 42:55

That one was that one was interesting.

Speaker 1: 42:57

That one was. What was that one Like? What was that? How did that go?

Speaker 1: 42:58

That one was that one was interesting that one was. It was I was meeting. It was a 37 year old man and he was meeting with me as a grown man because he was interested in child Like he's a. He ran a big child pornography thing and I had seen an ad for his for Boudoir photography, and one of the little comments in the bottom of his thing was he was interested in meeting back up with a mother and her daughters. So I was like, oh, how old are the daughters? I have daughters Like just kind of curious to to see if that's what he was talking about or if it was just some little kink fantasy thing. And he said that they were nine and 11.

Speaker 1: 43:40

And I was like, oh, you do boudoir photography for youth, that's awesome. And I played it off like yeah, I would love to have my children shot like that. And he was all about it. And so I was like, damn, okay, that was easy. And I found out where he was and I asked him. I was like, okay, that was easy. And I found out where he was and I asked him. I was like, well, listen, before I have my children around you, I would like to meet you first, that kind of thing, experience like kind of see the kind of stuff you do, like that kind of thing. He was like, yeah, absolutely, send me his address. And then I was kind of my first thought was you just fucked up, like you? Just you just signed your, your certificate.

Speaker 2: 44:13

Was this guy not paranoid?

Speaker 1: 44:15

No, he'd been doing it for years and never, never really got caught. He got too comfortable with it. Exactly, he got very complacent and complacency pills, and that that proved in this, in this situation. I went to his house, walked in the door he had it up on a on his TV. His house looked like a Jeffrey Dahmer house. There was one light that worked in the house. The carpet was stained, the walls had shit all over them. There was one back bedroom that had children's toys and ropes, where you could see that where assaults were happening and things. The sheets were stained everywhere and then, other than that bed that was in that room, there was one recliner in the house. That was it, and it was a room with like fifties wallpaper. It was like a disgusting like serial killer house.

Speaker 2: 45:00

That sounds fucking horrifying. It was. It was disgusting. It smelled bad. They brought their kids there. Yeah, For what?

Speaker 1: 45:08

For money? No they. They paid him to do um pornography shoots of their children.

Speaker 2: 45:16

What the fuck? And this is I mean. Don't give me the location exactly, but this is in the States.

Speaker 1: 45:22

Yes, jesus, I can actually tell you the county that situation has since been taken care of. That was actually in Polk County.

Speaker 2: 45:31

Oh my God, it was just a little north of Lakeland, so I find it so hard to believe that parents would take their kids in for stuff like that yeah, there was two parents that were prosecuted in that regard and both actually the crazy part is both for women.

Speaker 1: 45:57

It was those two moms, which makes it even more difficult. When I was told about that was, like it's way, it's the mothers, like that's the last you'd expect is the one who's supposed to be the nurturing, loving parent.

Speaker 2: 46:12

Yeah, but it's, it was two, it was two mothers and this guy had you may not know this, but were they like strung out, or were they single mothers, or like what was their? I don't know.

Speaker 1: 46:25

It's so hard for me to imagine that situation yeah, and I and I did, and he had it up on his computer like I saw it. He had videos of him with these children. You could see the women their faces kind of covered, whether they're holding up something over their face, but there's a grown woman sitting in the room. He's showing you this? Yeah, because he was showing me the kind of stuff that he does to see if I'm interested in making a business deal.

Speaker 2: 46:58

I've just spoken with you on the phone but I, I imagine just you know you're a marine, you're younger, you're probably an intimidating looking guy relatively and you talk very, you know, straightforward, very authoritatively. You just thought that he's like there's no fucking way. That was you, don't? You don't seem the type just me talking with you that he would trust you enough.

Speaker 1: 47:30

But this guy must have been so whacked and complacent yeah, and the thing is he was an older guy, about 60 years old, and the thing that threw me off is when I showed up I was in all black, black BDU pants, combat boots, the whole nines Cause I had just got done with a different job that was given to the police and I was literally in the County and I had found him. Reply he answered me and all this was done within a couple hours. And reply he answered me and all this was done within a couple hours and I went. So I walked in. You think, like looking at a guy like me like I'm six foot tall, 200 pounds, covered in tattoos, and I'm and I'm a relatively intimidating looking guy to these kind of people yeah, and you think that I'm either there to hurt you or I'm undercover or something of that matter.

Speaker 2: 48:13

Well, probably like a cop it was kind of what I do? I do have a very cop. Look, you, look and talk like a cop, and I've gotten that before.

Speaker 1: 48:22

Yeah, and this guy, he just he was nonchalant, he didn't care. He started showing me. So I was like, okay, cool, this'll be fun. I was like, all right, hey, well, let me go think about it a little bit and I'll give you a call back. He said, okay, cool, I walked out to the car, got whatever I needed, again I went back in the house and it was a fun night for me.

Speaker 1: 48:47

What happened? I walked back up, knocked on the door. He opened it and said that was a quick decision and at that point I didn't say another word to him. I grabbed him up under the neck, enough to almost pick him up off the ground, like when I I had grabbed and pushed at the same time, like at his neck, so he kind of lifted up a little bit, went back, fell. I'd grabbed and pushed at the same time, like at his neck, so he kind of lifted up a little bit, went back, fell. Like I said, he's an older gentleman, not gentleman, but he's an older guy and I picked him up.

Speaker 1: 49:12

He hit the ground, got back up and I picked something. I don't remember what it was. I picked up off his counter, but I had hit him across the side of the face with it and it looked like it had shattered his jaw area completely. Looked like it had shattered his jaw area completely and then I proceeded to beat, beat him down, pretty much. I beat him down and then I took my a bar the same one that I've used on several people and the one that I had overseas and I put it in his mouth. And I need it, jesus. So where it kind of went to, where the handle was all the way into his mouth on a nine inch knife, jesus, To where it kind of went to, where the handle was all the way into his mouth on a nine-inch knife.

Speaker 2: 49:52

Was this were?

Speaker 1: 49:53

you enraged at that point, or were you just steadfast? No, I was just kind of doing my thing. I was kind of nonchalant about it, really.

Speaker 2: 50:01

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 50:04

Gives me like a Dexter vibe. Yeah, it was kind of I mean. Yeah, that's a fitting comparison.

Speaker 2: 50:09

Yeah, yeah, and I mean how did you feel after that Accomplished? I mean, were you worried at all?

Speaker 1: 50:27

Like I just fucking killed a dude here Like like.

Speaker 2: 50:30

what I did was just illegal.

Speaker 1: 50:32

It didn't concern me.

Speaker 2: 50:33

You, you didn't care.

Speaker 1: 50:36

No.

Speaker 2: 50:37

That was more important taking this guy out.

Speaker 1: 50:40

Yes, it was because him I could confirm that many, many, many, children were being hurt.

Speaker 2: 50:47

I mean, obviously you took a scumbag out of the world. There's no doubt. I mean, based on what you're telling me, I didn't see any of this, but based on what you're telling me, you took a scumbag out of the world.

Speaker 1: 51:00

Exactly. He's no longer wasting the air of our children and it's and it's weird like after probably a year, year and two or so of doing this, I experienced another guy that almost was the exact same, which was like, oh, this is a little throwback. Same thing. He did shoots for children, same county and everything which led me to believe they were potentially associated with each other. And it turns out that the guy that I went and saw again, that was doing a very similar thing, was significantly worse than the first guy, the first guy that took pictures and that kind of thing. This guy filmed himself doing things to the kids and he would refer to it as lessons. He would teach kids how to do things. He taught an eight-year-old little girl how to give head.

Speaker 2: 51:54

That's what he was saying to me. That's disturbing as fuck man.

Speaker 1: 51:59

When I found this guy, I had so much stuff going on, so many projects I was working on, and I didn't have the time or the energy to go in and necessarily take his life or do anything. It was more like I was like I'm not in the mood to really go get bloody right now. So I went ahead, I went to the place, reviewed the content that he had, and I had police on standby for it and I went in with one of their cameras actually and recorded as much as I could. Then they got the warrant, kicked his door in and went in and arrested him and they ended up making I want to say it was somewhere around 18 arrests off of him and it was a little child porn ring that he was running. Wow, and they ended up being able to bust that little ring.

Speaker 2: 52:45

Wow, that's phenomenal.

Speaker 1: 52:50

It was definitely. It was a huge, huge accomplishment, definitely very large accomplishment. By this point I had already been doing it for so long. I had a routine, I had a set way, because in the beginning, the first probably six months, I was still figuring out my like, not the motive, but I was figuring out the way I wanted to do things, how I wanted to go about it, that kind of thing, how I wanted to trap the people, like. I was still learning a bit, you know, like kind of figuring out the way I'm doing things. And by this point, with this guy I had already had that set.

Speaker 1: 53:22

I'm already done as far as I'm concerned. I'm doing this. I'm damn near'm damn near professional at this. If not, I am a professional in this subject and I had probably put 40 or so people behind bars and probably another 25 to 30 in the ground by this point. So I'm at this point now it's like it's second nature to me. I'm good at it, I know what I'm doing, but in the beginning I was still figuring it out. So, like the first guy that was doing the child porn that I killed, that was more of like yeah, that happened, I feel good, I'm accomplished, but how am I going to cover this up later? Like I wasn't concerned, it didn't concern me at all. I was like, hey, I did good.

Speaker 2: 54:10

If they find me, I don't give a fuck, I did what I needed to do, but I was still learning how to successfully do everything. What kind of things did?

Speaker 1: 54:18

you learn. I learned better ways to plan the meet and greets, better ways to find the people, better ways to assess how I'm going to essentially ruin their life or take it, and then better ways to actually take the life. That's the best route in that situation. And then I kind of came down to it, like how it was, it became an obsession. It was for a long time and it was having like I need to do something. That's like a signature. You know, it's kind of weird, like little.

Speaker 1: 54:51

I was like man, I'm not like that kind of serial killer, so I don't want that kind of thing. But at the same time I was like I want something to where it kind of signals to other people like this of hey, I'm out here looking for you and I would have little things that I would do to them before I would take their life or whatever I'm going to do. Like my favorite thing is when I would find somebody or get them. I would make them either call the police and report themselves or call their closest family member and tell them before I show them the Reaper that is sitting in front of them. Like I'm going to make them expose the monster that they are before I introduced them to the monster that I am, and most of them opted to call the police.

Speaker 1: 55:36

They wanted to call the cops and reports the cops themselves, but that was always the wrong decision because, at the end of the day, I'm going to make you call your family, so it's. I'm giving you the option, so you feel like you have a choice, but you really don't. And because nine times out of 10, the cops aren't going to get called. You're going to turn up somewhere in a hog farm or somewhere in a lake. You're not. You're not calling police. Police are not getting involved with you. You're mine and I always found it amusing Like it was a little psycho part of me. I found amusing watching them break down on the phone, having to tell a family member Now, given my heart went out to the family member that they called because they have to find out that that loved one of theirs is doing these kinds of horrific things. However, I enjoyed watching their face having to tell the people, like the last one I made, do that he called his wife of 26 years.

Speaker 2: 56:28

Well, yeah, Like the last time I did that he called his wife of 26 years.

Speaker 1: 56:29

Well, I had to tell her he had a history of sexual assault on children. He was one that was confident. When he met up with me he had supposedly been with several other teenagers, a couple of girls in the neighborhood, and he was a teacher, so it was like a whole mix of things and he had stories and stories on stories about supposed children that he had had sexual relations with. How many were true I don't know, but as far as I'm concerned those are the stories he told, and there was a young girl in his family, I think like a niece or something like that, that he had assaulted. And when he called his wife, he had told her hey, I'm here to meet up and have sex with this child. I have done it this many times in the past and I did it to this family member.

Speaker 1: 57:15

And then I would interrupt the phone call. He's mine now and I'd hang up.

Speaker 2: 57:20

Jesus, I mean, that's just. It sounds like a fucking movie Like that's just. It sounds like a fucking movie Like that's. That's a wild story.

Speaker 1: 57:35

But after doing it for so long now now I still do it a lot I mean, you still seem nonchalant in a way about it Like methodical, like talking with you about it like you're just describing, very matter of fact yeah, I mean there's there's been times but it was in the beginning where I was like I'm gonna get like in a lot of trouble one day.

Speaker 1: 58:00

but then, after doing it enough, it just becomes like oh, it's just a. It's just, it's a daily task, it's just a little side thing I like to do for fun. Are you getting?

Speaker 2: 58:09

complacent like the first guy. Are you getting?

Speaker 1: 58:12

complacent, absolutely not no.

Speaker 1: 58:15

No, the way I do things now are the way I've always done things the same steps, precautions, everything I still take. I just have less thought about it after now. Like now I can go home, eat meatball sub and go to bed with my family, not think twice about it, versus before. There would be periodic times I'd go home and I'd sit and think about it a little bit, like damn what if, like, he gets found somewhere, I get in trouble. But now it's turning to a point of, like I've gotten really good at it. So where it's like, yeah, I'm doing my thing, I don't really care and I still take the same precautions, I do what I got to do and I go home at the end of the night and call it a day and on to the next.

Speaker 2: 58:56

Have you ever been questioned? Yes, I have. Wow, and no evidence, or they just didn't follow through on it. No it never got followed through, but I have. I have been questioned on it. Is there an element to the fact that your victims, so to speak, are pedophiles that maybe they don't care as much?

Speaker 1: 59:26

What do you mean?

Speaker 2: 59:27

So if somebody was investigating a murder, then maybe they're not looking into it as much because the guy was a pedophile.

Speaker 1: 59:38

Oh, absolutely. I think that definitely plays a part in it. Yeah. It's not like an honor roll student or something. Exactly. I mean, there's still those cops out there that'll still look heavy on it and they're just trying to do their job. You know, and I respect it, but at the end of the day, get out of my way, like I'm doing the job that you can't do right now, so just stay out of my way.

Speaker 2: 59:58

Let me do what I gotta do um, I've been, yeah, I've been questioned before, though and it wasn't a matter of more of like.

Speaker 1: 1:00:09

They were wondering if I knew anything about the situation. I wasn't a suspect of the situation, cause I got really good at being able to cover my ass and I've been questioned because I was at a location and it was it was. It was interesting because it wasn't like like a cop rolled up right after it happened, like they didn't get a call, they didn't find them. It was like a cop just pulled up to park somewhere right when I was leaving that location and the cop had gotten out of their car for a minute and I don't know how they noticed something was off, maybe the ground roughed up in a couple spots, but they went back and found it and then called in that my vehicle was at that location. They called me. I was like no, I just went, I just stopped back there for a few minutes, like I was just part of listening to music for a little bit, but I had a cop pull up on me right after one time and that part my heart dropped a little bit. I I was like damn, I'm about to be done and but it didn't. It didn't end up going anywhere Because after afterwards that guy in particular, was a registered offender.

Speaker 1: 1:01:12

So once they looked into him, saw who he was, it was kind of easy to determine. Okay, somebody probably did this to him because of that and they had assumed it was a family member of the person he'd assaulted, and so it kind of got dusted under.

Speaker 2: 1:01:32

Wow. So I know that there's and I've seen videos and read about. There's like they're just trying to get views or you know they're going after, I guess, what you'd almost call some pretty lame suspects. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:01:58

Some pretty lame targets.

Speaker 2: 1:02:02

And they seem to be just like harassing them for views, like going to their house and yelling at them. Yeah, I can't tell those kind of people you think that's just bullshit and fluff. Yeah, I think, does it at least send a message and maybe scare some people off of it?

Speaker 1: 1:02:24

No, I don't think it does. Personally, I think, if anything, nobody really takes them seriously, Because if I was one of those people I wouldn't take them seriously. Like I feel like they get trolled a lot online but and guys like that need to stay out of guys like my way.

Speaker 2: 1:02:42

So there's other people that do what you do.

Speaker 1: 1:02:45

Yeah, there are several. I've experienced them. Um, we actually it was a. It was a weird thing. I actually bumped into one. We were there to do the exact same job, but we're there for each other because we kind of pinned each other online I was just gonna fucking ask that.

Speaker 2: 1:03:02

I was just gonna. Did you ever come across like another guy who was fishing?

Speaker 1: 1:03:07

Yeah, yeah, we did. And we we met up, walked up on each other ready to like, and we were both like, had gear on and we looked at each other, kind of confused, and I was like what the fuck? And I kind of called it off the bat. I was like he's not here for that, he's here for me. And we were like what the fuck? And had a quick, brief conversation about the subject and kind of hey, this is my area, leave me the fuck alone, stay out of my way, type thing, because a lot of guys like this, we don't like to work together.

Speaker 2: 1:03:34

Yeah, it wasn't a friendly conversation.

Speaker 1: 1:03:37

No, A lot of guys that do this stuff. We don't work together. We don't like to work together because it's a liability. I worked in teams in the military. I, because it's a liability, I don't like to. I worked in teams in the military. I don't want to do teams now. I like doing my thing. Now I can get in, get out and I don't got to worry about somebody else. Or if that person slips up one day or fucks up, now I can get in trouble for it. To yourself, yeah. So we, a lot of us do our own thing solo. The people that work together usually have association with an. It's like a big nonprofit or something that's got a name attached to it and those kind of guys.

Speaker 1: 1:04:07

I respect them, I love what they do and I would help them if I could, like in a way that it's possible, but we have very different goals, like a lot of those kind of guys that go overseas, they go rescue children, get out, do their thing, which is needed, and I love that they do it. I'm out to take the life of the people doing it, though, but I've bumped in on one occasion to a guy that was out doing the same thing, and I know of other people doing it. We just don't like. We respect each other, but we don't work together. Like we know of each other.

Speaker 1: 1:04:42

We've talked on occasion. We have each other's information If if, say, for example, there's something that we need help with. But for the most part, we know of each other and we know where each other are doing different things and how to kind of stay out of each other's way, if that makes sense. Like I know of a guy that kind of does a lot in the Orlando area. I don't, I don't fuck with his area. If I'm looking at something, I'll, I will reach out. Hey, are you looking into this? That guy's in this area, cool, there you go and vice versa, but we stay out of each other's way and let each other do what we need to do.

Speaker 2: 1:05:16

So these guys are, I mean the, the suspects, so to speak. They're, then, like you and a couple other people that do what you do might be looking at the same people, yeah, so they make themselves apparent yeah, it's very possible that more than one guy of guys like me could be looking at the same guy.

Speaker 1: 1:05:41

It does not happen often, but like I've like I've only experienced it once or twice but but it's, it's potential. But there's also guys that I've gone after that they may have never even heard of. There's guys they go after that I've never heard of. But there's those guys sometimes that are a little bit bigger fish in the sea that sometimes we buy. We might both be out on a charter fishing for the same fish, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:06:04

Have you ever or do you feel like you've ever gotten the wrong guy?

Speaker 1: 1:06:10

no, you never made a mistake no so you're 1000 sure, yeah, I don't even consider going out you don't have the wrong name.

Speaker 2: 1:06:26

You don't have the wrong address. No, I usually don't go to their after somebody unless you don't have the wrong name. You don't have the wrong address.

Speaker 1: 1:06:28

No, I usually don't go to their houses. That's a rare occasion. I usually try to meet somewhere else because I don't know if their neighborhood has cameras, ring doorbells, something that could link me there.

Speaker 2: 1:06:38

So you have them active and out and seeking. So it's not like you just showed up at some dude's house, that had the same somebody stole his picture from Facebook.

Speaker 1: 1:06:51

I want to catch them while they're hunting.

Speaker 2: 1:06:54

I can imagine that that's it's probably pretty. I wouldn't say it doesn't happen often, but I'd probably say that would. If someone's like maybe a little paranoid and you're, you know, out there fishing and you're like send me a picture of you, and then they just go find some random dude's picture.

Speaker 1: 1:07:15

I've had that happen.

Speaker 2: 1:07:16

Yeah, and I've had that happen.

Speaker 1: 1:07:19

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:07:20

And.

Speaker 1: 1:07:20

I can pick those kinds of guys out of the crowd. I can. I reverse image search all the pictures that are sent to me. You go online. It's a I reverse image search all the pictures that are sent to me. You go online. I forget what the website's called, but you can type in reverse image search and put in any picture that's sent to you on it and it'll tell you where that picture came from or if it has zero results, like it was a picture that's actually an authentic picture, or if it's on any website. It searches over 50 million websites. If that picture is on any other platform, anywhere, it'll come up. Okay, so I can kind of pinpoint those relatively quickly. Yeah, but for the most part those kind of guys don't send pictures of their face. It's usually like nude pictures.

Speaker 2: 1:07:58

It's got to be disgusting. It's got to be disgusting to not only have to talk but see stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 1:08:03

Yeah it is, and I don't like going to people's house. I like catching them in the act, you know, trying to hunt or find something, because at the end of the day, if I go into their house, I'm going into their house to take their life. I'm not going to go to the house of somebody who I'm not going to try to end and I don't need the risk of children or family members being home that are innocent, have nothing to do with it being in the crossfire yeah, so you're.

Speaker 1: 1:08:30

You're more like alone in a parking lot at night yeah, I've gotten people to meet me at beaches, parks, hotels, everything, yeah, just not at their house.

Speaker 1: 1:08:40

I'll go to their house but I know for a fact it's a single lone person, or if it's a person that I've been vetting for a long time and I've had time to watch their movement, find out where they work, follow their vehicle, see what they do on a daily basis, that kind of thing. Then once I find out, okay, yeah, I've been to your house a few times, I've walked through your house, I know that you live alone. I know the layout of your home already. I've been in your house, I've been in your job, I've been a customer of yours at some point just to get to know you a little bit. Or I've even applied to a job before and gotten a job with a person to get close to them. I've taken various steps to get people before I even consider, so that I know for a fact there's no chance that I'm risking the life or career of somebody who did nothing wrong.

Speaker 2: 1:09:35

Does anyone else that's close to you know that you do this?

Speaker 1: 1:09:41

Two people in my life know about it.

Speaker 2: 1:09:42

Okay, and they're supportive.

Speaker 1: 1:09:46

Yeah, they know about it, but they don't know about it okay and they're supportive.

Speaker 2: 1:09:52

Yeah, they, they know about it, but they don't know about it. If you know what I'm talking about, yeah, now plausible deniability, exactly, and then I mean, you're still able to hold a job, and yeah, you know do normal. Yeah, I'll go out one night.

Speaker 1: 1:10:11

I'll go out one night and take a life. Next morning I'm going to Busch Gardens with my daughter having a fun family day, clocking back into work the next day does that worry you, that it's that easy to switch?

Speaker 2: 1:10:25

I've thought about it in the past.

Speaker 1: 1:10:28

But then I've thought about the situation dependent thing, that a lot of law enforcement, a lot of people that are looking into it if they've seen me, I'm sure there's some. There's some officer or agent out there that knows of me but respects what I do, and they kind of just stay back.

Speaker 2: 1:10:47

So what's something? So if anyone hears this, that's you know, possibly one of your next victims that they're into pedophilia. They're, they're into young kids, whatever, what. What's something? Before they start making that decision and go down that road, what's something you'd? You'd want to pass a message to them.

Speaker 1: 1:11:12

You won't know I'm coming for you until it's too late. There won't be a sign that I'm there until I'm there. And once I'm there, you can't get away from me.

Speaker 2: 1:11:22

So knock at the door? Yeah, pretty much, don't go down that road is there somebody that could be listening?

Speaker 1: 1:11:29

right now that I'm looking at I'm? I got my eyes on a few people right now, so, and they won't know until it's time to you know, say your last words. Um, and then the thing I would say to those people once I'm on you, you can't get away, you can't escape me. If I know your name, I know your face, you're done. There's no. I will be your nightmare. I will be the reaper that comes for you. You cannot get away from me. I will be the death card.

Speaker 2: 1:12:08

I am the death card for those people. I mean that's yeah, knock it the fuck off. Yeah, stop it. It's not a road you want to go down.

Speaker 1: 1:12:18

I had a guy that caught on to me one time because I experienced him face to face, but I let him walk because I had the idea that it was the first, a first time thing. I let him walk. I mean, he didn't walk like in perfect condition again, but he walked nonetheless somewhat. Um well, he walked after therapy and all that, but he walked again and he dipped out of Florida, went to Georgia. I found out where he was and I went to his house and I put a card in his uh, in his front door and left, came back down to Florida just as hey, I still know where you are, you can't get away, so don't fuck up again.

Speaker 1: 1:12:51

Yeah, pretty much If you fuck up again you're going to see me, yeah, if I'm coming after you, you're not going to know until it's too late, and once I'm on to you, you can't get away. You're done and I've taken, like I said, vast amounts of effort and I've done extensive things to get close to people. I've gotten jobs with people just to learn about them. I've gone to their place of business, became a customer, became a regular there, just to get to know them a little bit and then do what I got to do. I take various large steps to take care of what I need to take care of, but if somebody of that type is listening, knock it off, because I'm not the one you want coming after you, and there's other people like you.

Speaker 1: 1:13:45

Yes, there's a lot of people like me. There's several through the state of Florida, several through the country that I know of, and they're very highly trained people, very good. They're good at what they do. So if you don't want somebody like that visiting and popping in and saying hi to you, then stop what you're doing before it's too late.

Speaker 2: 1:14:07

It's a fucking boogeyman story.

Speaker 1: 1:14:13

I'm a nightmare for the people that hurt children. If you don't want to suffer for the rest of your life, if I let you have it, don't do anything else.

Speaker 2: 1:14:23

Is there anything you'd want to say to the victims?

Speaker 1: 1:14:31

I'm sorry for what you've gone through, and there's guys like me that are here to help you, and if I haven't found you yet, I'll get you.

Speaker 2: 1:14:41

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:14:42

Uh, if there's a victim listening, somebody that's experienced as, somebody that's going through it, it won't be much longer and we'll get to you.

Speaker 2: 1:14:56

It's a powerful message. Well, thank you for coming on and sharing this. Of course, I hope it reaches the right group of people. Yeah to to come out with all of that information and to share that story. I think is is something that people need to hear I think it absolutely is.

Speaker 1: 1:15:17

Um, I think it's it's important that people in their day-to-day life understand that this is a very large problem, like in the United States, in the state and it's people that 10 times out of 10, 100% of the time it's somebody that you wouldn't have expected.

Speaker 1: 1:15:40

It's your family member. It might be your father, your brother, your cousin, your neighbor, your co-worker. It's somebody you wouldn't expect. That's that's doing these kind of things. So be careful who you let your kids around, who you surround yourself with, because when they come into the light, it's going to be somebody that's going to make your jaw drop and and I will bring them into the light and I will make jaws drop but it will be somebody that shocks you.

Speaker 2: 1:16:16

Well, thanks again, man, Thanks for coming on and hopefully this sharing this does some good in the world, but I appreciate it and I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that appreciate it too.

Speaker 1: 1:16:30

I hope so. I hope it reaches who he needs to reach. I hope it gets to where he needs to get and sends a good message. I want to. I'd like to see my numbers drop.

Speaker 2: 1:16:40

I think that's like everybody's hope. You know, like a homicide detective, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:16:47

I'm not going to stop. Everybody's help. You know, like a homicide detective, I want less homicides. I'm not going to stop. I'm going to still come at it with everything I got until it does. So I hope it gets to the right people and if anybody's listening, knock it, the fuck off.

Speaker 2: 1:17:00

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