Speaker 1: 0:00

On this episode of the redacted, we're going to be doing something a little different. We're dipping our toe into the I guess you'd call it the paranormal world, and there's a lot of these stories out there and I'm as big of a skeptic as the next, but, as you'll hear, it's one of those things, like a lot of things in life, like car accidents or cancer or a robbery. It's one of those things that there's a pattern and every time it happens to someone, they always say I never thought it would happen to me or I didn't believe it until it happened to me. And that's something very interesting to think about and it's worth exploring. You could also look at this from a different perspective and you know you have to get your house in order, your spirituality in order, your mental health in order, your depression in order.

Speaker 1: 1:03

Stephen King had a really great quote about you know monsters and ghosts, and he said monsters are real and ghosts are real too. They live inside us and sometimes they win. So with that, enjoy this episode in this interview. It's going to be a two parter and we're going to have the next part released a week from this episode. Enjoy, Okay. Thank you everybody for tuning in to the Redacted Podcast. My name is Matt Bender and we have a little bit of a different show today than our usual, but it's definitely something that's super interesting and one of those things that it's understandable that somebody wouldn't want to talk about necessarily, so we have our guest on. Thanks for coming on.

Speaker 2: 2:38

Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1: 2:40

And what you had was I guess you'd call it a nefarious haunting or some kind of a spiritual attack on your family- Absolutely it was.

Speaker 2: 2:56

It encompassed our whole entire family. But it was really. Target was my son, because of his psychic abilities.

Speaker 1: 3:05

Okay, okay. And so the thing about stuff like this and I've always been so curious and I guess I've been fortunate enough to have not had any of these kind of experiences. But people can be skeptical on these stories, Do you kind of find that?

Speaker 2: 3:28

They're very skeptical and they want to poke at it and make fun events until it slaps them in the face like it did us.

Speaker 1: 3:35

Oh yeah, yeah, I can. It's one of those things I guess seeing is believing and you can't force anyone to kind of understand that until it happens to them, but when it does and you know all the things I've seen it's always it's terrifying, it's fucking terrifying, I'm sure.

Speaker 2: 3:55

Oh, yes, it is. You will go to sleep, and some days you won't sleep and other days you will go to sleep with that holy water praying. Yes, my family, we've experienced all of it.

Speaker 1: 4:09

And the nature of that skepticism that you've experienced, and I'm sure a lot of others have, doesn't, in a way, keep people from sharing their story, because it's like oh, you're kooky, oh, that didn't, that was all in your imagination, that was all you know, and people don't want to hear that, so they just don't share. Sometimes, it seems, yes, most definitely. Yeah, that's tough. Well, why don't you start us at the beginning of where I guess you first noticed or started having experiences, or other people in your family started to?

Speaker 2: 4:52

Well, like I said, it's kind of a double story into one, our middle son, tyler. He has a very old soul, always just very helpful. He could always just look at him and people are always automatically drawn to him. It was not that my other kids weren't special or anything like that, but there was always something different about Tyler, always has been, when he was probably about three years old. I've always been into genealogy and I had some pictures of my grandfather, who's passed for I don't know 25 plus years, and my grandfather used to run an old Scali station and I had the picture out just because I was putting a new photo album together. And again Tyler had no idea who he was or anything. And he went up to the picture and I remember him saying and again I'm paraphrasing because it's been a while and at the time, like he was three, he said that he'd seen him before and I'm like, what do you mean? You've seen him before? And he said, oh, he comes in my room and plays with me and then he just ran off.

Speaker 1: 6:06

Wow, that's that was.

Speaker 2: 6:08

That was the first time I was crazy. And they always say you know, the younger they are, they're more open and in tune with that type of events.

Speaker 1: 6:17

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:19

My grandfather. Like I said, he worked in a Scali station so he always wore I always call him the bitty coveralls and after that that is all Tyler would wear. He had to wear his bitty coveralls and that's all my grandfather wore and we would always hear him in his room. He was one of those kids that you could buy. He couldn't buy enough play sets. I mean he would have play set villages. He would line them up and he would play for hours with those and you could hear him talking, but nothing was ever threatening. It sounded like where my other son. He wouldn't play with a play set for nothing. He was bored within five minutes. That's kind of how we first knew about his abilities, but we never really.

Speaker 1: 7:05

You just saw something was different.

Speaker 2: 7:07

Yeah, I mean we just like okay, that's Tyler, that's just Tyler. Where it really took a turn was when my husband had rotator cuff surgery, which can be a really tough surgery. He had been out of work because of the surgery and they had been giving him Vicodin's. Well, he had tapped out and we ended up having to go to Colorado for wrestling because we travel a lot for wrestling. We have three years and I'm not going to lie. He took some medicinal ointment and that was how my husband was able to get off the Vicodin. Praise God on that one. It does have a good medicinal effect there. And when we came back home from the trip, mike was scheduled to go back to work. He works at an automotive plant and, having seniority, you go out on medical, you go back to your job. Well, he went back to his job and they gave his job to somebody else. This is a man who has 20 years in. He should be able to go back to his job.

Speaker 1: 8:18

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:19

That's terrible. They put him back on the line where he had worked so many years to get the job he had. They gave it one of the they call it committee people. They gave it to one of their buddies. So my husband ended up having to go back on the line. When he did that it really put him in a dark phase. He was depressed. He was fighting, trying to get out. Why did you know my job? Screw me. Excuse me for saying it that way. He was missing work. I mean, he just took a dive into depression land and it was dark. That is when things, when he hit that dark depression, that's when things really took a really bad turn.

Speaker 2: 9:11

Tyler was always able to sleep in his room. Again, he was like five, going on, six years old. He would sleep in his room. When Mike hit this depression, all of a sudden he every night was in our room and again, you know they're five, six years old. Okay, that's fine, no big deal. You know he come in in the middle of the night while we were asleep. So it really didn't bother us. We didn't really think anything of it. It wasn't until probably a couple months of him coming in the middle of the night.

Speaker 2: 9:42

I remember my husband was working we call it Super Sundays, which is overtime, and I woke up to a loud clunking sound in my dryer and I thought my dryer had broken. It ended up being my husband's work coveralls. And I'm like, okay, why is it two, 33 o'clock in the morning, and he usually gets up about 4.30 because he worked day shift. I was like why did he turn those on? Maybe he washed them in the middle of the night and he woke up, turned it on. Whatever. I turned it off. I went back to bed.

Speaker 2: 10:18

About 30 minutes later I wake up to the clunking sound again. I go and turn it off again. I end up falling back to sleep. Mike messaged me, I don't know, about 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock in the morning again it's Sunday. I reply back to him hey, why did you turn on the dryer at 2, 3 o'clock in the morning? And he's like I didn't. I thought that was you. I'm like, no, I didn't turn the dryer on. So he's like well, maybe the boys did. Nope, they did not turn it on, just ignored it really, and it was actually the dryer, it wasn't just a sound that sounded like the dryer.

Speaker 2: 11:01

No, no, the dryer was full on going. In fact, when Mike woke up his Kevlarals were warm for him so he thought I was being nice and turned it on for him. Now it turned on by itself and it actually it was three times. It did it Three times. I had to turn it off and Tyler was in our room at this time. So that was that weekend. Then little stuff around our house would go missing Keys one day. I couldn't find my keys. I found them in the refrigerator, just little stuff constantly being like hidden from us, almost like a little kid hiding your stuff, like playing pranks. There is that aspect.

Speaker 1: 11:49

Yeah, and probably at the time didn't seem like anything.

Speaker 2: 11:53

No, and when we're both.

Speaker 1: 11:55

This is only in hindsight. This starts to connect.

Speaker 2: 11:59

Absolutely. We're living life. So we both work, we have multiple kids, we travel for wrestling. My daughter had I think she was at the time two. I just started her in a dance. We had a lot of things going on and actually I think my dad had just been diagnosed with cancer at that time. So I didn't give any time to really sit down like oh wow, Julie, something's going on in your house red flags. I didn't really take that time, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 12:31

Yeah, totally. I mean you had a lot going on and you know the stories. I've seen too different TV shows and stuff like that before. It always seems to kind of occur when people are having maybe a tumultuous or a chaotic or some kind of a change in life.

Speaker 2: 12:53

Yes, it's yes, absolutely yes, so you don't have time to focus on it.

Speaker 1: 12:58

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 12:59

So when you don't focus on it, it tends to grow, and that's what we learned. Okay yeah, so paying attention to it.

Speaker 1: 13:07

yeah, exactly, that makes sense.

Speaker 2: 13:11

We had other times to where my husband hung out a lot in the garage. He would just fixing stuff. That was just. You know, we have a three car garage and so that's his manhunt hideout. He has this big boombox he's had since like the 90s. It's old but it's his favorite and he loves it and it's so durable. It would turn on in the middle of the night. It would turn on during daytime, just I don't know. Or just turn on, just turn on. One time it did turn on in the middle of the night like full blast. He was working what we called it to odd shift, we call it sea crew. It's Friday, Saturday day, sunday, monday nights, and it turned on in the middle of the nights and he was at work. Well, I went down to the garage to turn it off and it was not plugged in. Whoa, yes.

Speaker 1: 14:14

And there was no batteries or anything.

Speaker 2: 14:16

Batteries. No, I mean, this thing is from the 90s. The batteries in it are like be like acid coming out. Yeah. So, we're not going with it. There was no possible way, yeah.

Speaker 1: 14:31

So, between the dryer incident and the stuff missing and then this thing turning on, I mean, what kind of timeframe is this?

Speaker 2: 14:38

Was this within months, or Within like a two, three months time span, and then the music that was playing was AC DC highway to hell.

Speaker 1: 14:49

Oh, you got to be kidding me.

Speaker 2: 14:51

No, I'm not?

Speaker 1: 14:53

Was it on the radio or was it like a?

Speaker 2: 14:55

Yes, it was on the radio.

Speaker 1: 14:57

Oh my God. So that had to raise, that had to send a chill up your spine when you saw the thing wasn't plugged in.

Speaker 2: 15:07

Being a cradle Catholic I am. I rebuked it in the name of Jesus and claimed the blood right there and I ran yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:16

Everything else probably seemed pretty innocuous to that point, but when you, when you have a device turn on that isn't even plugged in, that's oof.

Speaker 2: 15:24

That was the big red flag. And then it was a couple of weeks later. Like I said, tyler was constantly coming in our room every night, every night, which was fine, it was fine. We started hearing him talk a lot and it was like he had a pretend friend. Now again, he's my middle child, I've already had my oldest one never had a pretend friend, but each kid is different to each. So I was like, okay, so he's got a pretend friend, that's fine. He would sit in his room with his Superman playhouse, his Ninja Turtle, I mean he had like six of them lined up, his little playhouse city and I could hear him talking, just talking. So I just thought he had a pretend friend, didn't think, really, didn't give any credit to it, nothing like that.

Speaker 1: 17:42

Yeah, and that seems pretty normal. I mean, kids do that.

Speaker 2: 17:46

Absolutely, although my other didn't. I just thought, okay, this is Tyler. Yeah, my little quirky one, that's fine.

Speaker 1: 17:52

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 17:55

My husband. It was a few days late. A few days later, after the talking really started, my husband was working night so I had to get up early for work, take the kids to school, so I closed my bedroom door so my husband could sleep. I was in the hall bathroom getting ready and Tyler came up to me and he's like mommy, guess what? And I was like what I mean I can remember to this day, it's so vivid. He's like Jimmy and Charlie want me to be like them. I was like, well, who's Jimmy and Charlie Ty? We called him Ty Ty. Who is he, ty Ty? And he's like they're my friends that come play with me. I was like, well, that's awful nice of them. What do they want you to be, tyler? They want me to be a ghost.

Speaker 1: 18:44

Oh shit.

Speaker 2: 18:45

Just ran the fuck off and I'm sitting there with the curler iron in my hair like what the fuck just happened.

Speaker 1: 18:52

Oh shit, yeah, that's creepy.

Speaker 2: 18:55

Yes. So that's like I was like, okay, we gotta do something. That's when I stopped in my tracks right there. So we would watch a few different ghost shows. My husband and I were into them. Dead Files was our favorite we watched because it kind of did investigation but yet it touched on the paranormal. So I kind of started contacting a few ghost shows, see if they would help. I never got feedback from nobody, nobody, nothing. So I remember watching Dead Files and there was a similar situation and they brought in like a psychic medium. So I'm like, okay, I need to find a psychic medium. I start looking in we live in the Kansas city type area and I start looking around and they want about $500 or $600. I can't afford it. I mean, we just we couldn't afford it to do that.

Speaker 1: 19:56

And that's for someone to basically who-.

Speaker 2: 19:59

Come to my house.

Speaker 1: 20:00

Who's a medium. Come to your house and figure out what's going on.

Speaker 2: 20:03

Yes.

Speaker 1: 20:04

Okay.

Speaker 2: 20:06

After Tyler came to tell me about Jimmy and Charlie and, like I said, he had names for these two friends of his, jimmy and Charlie. After Tyler had them came and talked to me about him, he was more open about it and would tell me a little stuff. All of a sudden he started telling me a little stories about Jimmy and Charlie. He told us about how his dad had anger issues and he started telling us stories about Jimmy and Charlie's life on the farm. It was too detailed for a six-year-old to know.

Speaker 1: 20:48

Yeah, I was just about to ask that, and it's like you can't feed a kid that young that kind of information and to them to him it doesn't seem weird. I guess To us it seems strange, but to him he's just like oh yeah, they grew up on a farm and they had a dad with him.

Speaker 2: 21:08

Like that's yes, yeah, so again, like I told you earlier, I love genealogy, I love history. My husband and I would love to go do metal detecting. So we live in the country actually it's Carney, missouri, where Jesse James' house is, boy home, he's buried here, all that. It's very old land. Although this town has been renamed, there's a lot of old history where we're at. So my husband and I used to do, and we still do, time to time when we get it is we do metal detecting. It's just our little date day.

Speaker 2: 21:49

So I was familiar with when we do metal detecting I would pull up old plat maps and I like to see where old houses were, because then that would tell us where we would do our metal detecting at.

Speaker 2: 22:03

So while Tyler was continuing to tell us details of Jimmy and Charlie, I decided to pull all the plat maps up from our house and I started to do the history of our house and although we don't have all sorts of land or anything like that, back in the day it was very much cattle area. Again, jesse James and his family actually they lived, I think, less than half a mile from our house. So that's cattle, yeah, absolutely. So you just never know what happened. So I started pulling the old plat maps up and I figured out that I remember I work at an automotive plant too and I work in the offices and we were redoing the offices so everybody was like sitting in the middle. And I got on my computer and I pulled the old plat map of 1879, and there was a family that lived where our house was with the last name Johnson which, and they had like five kids, and two of their kids' name was Charles and Jimmy.

Speaker 1: 23:19

Oh shit.

Speaker 2: 23:21

And that's literally what I said at work. I said holy shit.

Speaker 1: 23:24

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:26

And I remember the guy crossed for me, john, and he's like Julie, what's wrong? And I was like I remember I was just like dead. And he's like he came over to my computer and he's like, oh, you're doing old map searches. Well, I hadn't told anybody what happened or what was going on at our house and I ended up telling John about it and he's like you mean to tell me your son knows the names of this. I said yeah, he called him Jimmy and Charlie and said and I was like look, 1879, they lived where our house stands right now. It's like how the fuck is that possible? How could a six-year-old know that shit?

Speaker 1: 24:00

Geez is that that's what you got abilities.

Speaker 2: 24:03

There's more to this did that.

Speaker 1: 24:05

I Mean in that moment where you kind of terrified or Fascinated, I mean, what was that emotion, that?

Speaker 2: 24:15

you had as a? I wasn't. I was more about protecting my child.

Speaker 1: 24:19

So you were scared for your child. Now, Absolutely okay, I.

Speaker 2: 24:24

Left work right away and I went home and I remember walking through my house and we didn't have and again, we're Christian, I mean, I'm cradle Catholic we had not one cross in our house. We had nothing that said, hi, we believe in Jesus. It wasn't anything done on purpose, it was just we moved in our house, we started having. I started having babies, one after another, and, busy with life, I never really decorated my house, we were in survival mode, more so, and so that's when I was like, okay, we need to get some Christian stuff in our house. I went to Savers and I bought all sorts of crosses and I put across in Every single room and then I put pictures. I put a plaque as St Jude and In Tyler's room because St Jude is supposed to be for in time in need or you needing help and my son, ty Ty, he was and he still is.

Speaker 2: 25:30

He's a little smaller, he's. He's not at tall. He's not tall by any means. He's always been a little guy, very, very short, very just. He's like a perfect little wrestler. He's a short little guy and his Dresser was super tall and he could never reach the top two and drawers. He always had a little like a step stool to get to him and I remember I put the picture of St Jude on his dresser and Then I had a candle that had been blessed by the church and I had it in his room. So that was set in his room and, like I said, every other room in the house I had him set up my oldest son's room was downstairs, the very down downstairs, because I have like a split level house. He was in California at a wrestling camp, but I still put Some type of candle down in his room and I put it across in his room.

Speaker 2: 26:28

Well, I called my husband and I told my husband what was going on, what I found the plat maps and that he's like Well, what do we need to do? I said we need to bring somebody over here to bless this house and bless it immediately, and then we need to bring a medium in or figure something out. And At this time Mike is still dealing with his depression. So I'm fighting the battle of trying to get my husband out of depression. He was going through stuff with the work thing, taking his job. He was dealing with stuff with his family they're Not the best supportive family.

Speaker 2: 27:03

Then I had dealing with my son of whether these ghosts or these entities or whoever he's seeing or want to make him a ghost, and His room was on the third level. His room is, and all I can think is him jumping out the window, or so I didn't know. Just that's what I kept thinking, because he was obsessed with Superman too. So I hope, I was hoping okay, and I think he's Superman and he could fly again. My mind is just going you just don't know. You just don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1: 27:37

Yeah, that's got to be horrifying, because and I mean, is he understanding any of this yet? Or is this just Maybe kind of fun to him, or just some friends? He doesn't quite get it.

Speaker 2: 27:50

He doesn't know and I didn't want to cycle it either. Yeah but you have to embrace it. Yeah, I just let him come to me on it.

Speaker 1: 28:00

Well, and you didn't want to scare him either.

Speaker 2: 28:03

No, yeah, no, I did, I did not. So I started, like I said, I started doing some research to bring mediums in. They wanted anywhere at the cheap range was 500, all the way up to a couple thousand, and we just couldn't afford it at the time. We just can't afford that. Um, so my, my husband's I call my, my school, my church, and he went to Methodist Church. So I call them, I tell them what's going on and they're like well, we won't come to your house, but you could come over here and we'll pray for you, mike. Okay, that does me no good, I need you at my house. They wouldn't do that. So then I call my husband, tell him that well then, that made him even more angry that his church that he had gone to since he was a baby in baptized, wouldn't even come to help. So I'm Catholic, but I had not been. I hadn't been a good Catholic and been practicing. Let's just say that.

Speaker 1: 29:00

It's hard to be a good Catholic.

Speaker 2: 29:02

Yeah, and then I had him got the kids baptized. I just we hadn't done, we're just living life and surviving at that mode. So I told Mike, I was like I'm calling the Catholic Church and so I called the one in in Carney and I remember the secretary. She's like, well, what do you want to talk to the priest about? And it's like, okay, what do I tell her? If I tell her the truth, she could actually think I'm nuts. What do I have to lose at this point? So I told the, the secretary is like well, I'd like to talk to the priest because I think my house is haunted. I think my there's ghost in my house that are trying to kill my son.

Speaker 1: 29:43

I remember saying that yeah, it's a weird sentence to get out.

Speaker 2: 29:47

Yeah, and the lady's like oh.

Speaker 1: 29:54

Yeah, no big deal. Let me put you through to that department.

Speaker 2: 29:57

Yeah. So the priest and father Al, he was wonderful, he was like a gift of God. And I tell him Everything that was going on. I told him, like my husband's depression. I told him what Tyler's seeing. I tell him how I've been a bad Catholic. You know the whole. Yeah, I was such a bad Catholic. I even got married in Vegas. You know I didn't do it right. You know everything I was like, but I promised to do better. Now Can you please come clear my house, um? And he said I'll be there tonight at 7 pm and I'm like oh, yeah, oh.

Speaker 2: 30:33

You know the other place where my husband been, whose whole life, won't even give us the time of day. Well, this guy's never met us and he's gonna kind of our house at 7 pm.

Speaker 1: 30:42

Okay, had to be a huge relief just to hear that. Just to do, you know yes like, okay, now we got somebody else that's not only believing me, but yeah, possibly help us.

Speaker 2: 30:53

Absolutely so. My mom is like the holier than now. I always kind of put my mom in that pedestal. So I tell my mom about it and my mom's like I'll come over as well. And she had holy water that had been blessed from Jerusalem. So she came over to. She was sitting.

Speaker 2: 31:13

Like I said, we have a split level, multiple level house. She was sitting in the kitchen, which was upstairs. Father Al comes to the door and I remember when he came to Doria at the smile on his face but he kept looking around and it was kind of weird the way he was looking around. He wasn't even in our house yet but we let him in and he went into our living room. My mom remained upstairs. She can't walk real good, so she just stayed upstairs. Mike and I were downstairs with Father Al and he was. We kind of just told him the story by his depression, what Tyler's been seeing, we didn't know what was going on. Well, he showed us that he had brought some Holy water to that had been blessed and kind of find out it had been blessed where my mom's water was too.

Speaker 2: 32:07

Wow in Jerusalem, yes, oh it was like that's kind of cool, yeah, well, then my mom says Julie, come here. And I'm like mom, not now. Hello, father Al's here Trying to get my house cleared. And she's like Julie now, which is not like my mom at all. So I'm like okay, excuse me, mike stayed downstairs in living room with father Al. I go upstairs to my mom like mom, what, what the fuck? And she's like Did you not hear that? I'm like no, and she said something's going on in Tyler's room. So my mom walks with me, we go to Tyler's room and, if you remember me saying, his dresser is tall, this kid is short, he hasn't been on a grue, he just hit the gross scale and he's 14, if that tells you anything.

Speaker 1: 32:55

Okay, yeah, and I mean just to back up are the kids home?

Speaker 2: 33:00

at Jordan is in California.

Speaker 1: 33:04

So Tyler's on.

Speaker 2: 33:06

Tyler was not home at that. At the first meeting we had him go over to a friend's house to while father Al came over and our daughter was at a friend's house too. Again, she was like two years old, so she's really clueless to all that we hear something in. So I walked towards Tyler's room, which is very long hallway, and the picture as st Jude had been knocked down and the candle I had lit on the dresser Was in the hallway.

Speaker 1: 33:42

Oh geez.

Speaker 2: 33:44

And that all happened when father Al came in our house.

Speaker 1: 33:49

So something I always I mean once again just watching stories, it's it's like whatever entity or spiritual thing is going on, when you know you bring a priest over, when you start stepping it up, it almost seems like they start stepping it up.

Speaker 2: 34:08

Absolutely, and I think, yes, I think that's that's so fascinating.

Speaker 1: 34:12

It's like that there's a pattern to it. I mean, yes, there's always a pattern to these stories and I don't think we've We've completely figured it out. I don't think we know much about it at all, but there's. There always seems to be that element of like okay, you want war, I got war for you.

Speaker 2: 34:32

Uh-huh, yes, and they were ready to take it all on wow.

Speaker 2: 34:37

Yes, so you know, I cleaned up the candle. There's wax, there's a wax trail. Um, all the way from one end of his room until the hallway, the st Jude picture knocked down. I put that back up. My mom stayed in the room and I think she was doing some prayers. She had her rosary with her. Um, I went back down there with father Al and my husband and I didn't say anything to father Al about it, I just kind of listened and he, we just kind of gave him our, our life story. Um, then he went around each room and he blessed each room and then he did a prayer for each of us but one, and then invited us to start coming to church. Um, again, my husband was Methodist but he was very upset that the Methodist church wouldn't help us and our time in needs and Mike's like you know what, forget it, I'm gonna, uh, I'm gonna join the Catholic church. They were there, they helped us. So that's what he ended up. We ended up starting going regularly to church there.

Speaker 1: 35:49

Yeah, well, that makes sense.

Speaker 2: 35:51

Absolutely Well. After Father Al left, we really didn't feel anything. It was just, you know, okay, it was just like a regular visit. We didn't think nothing of it. That night Tyler came into our room again and he said that Jimmy and Charlie kept talking really loudly and wouldn't let him sleep.

Speaker 1: 36:22

Oh, geez. Yes, that's horrifying. I mean, through all of this, does this just make the hairs on your neck stand up?

Speaker 2: 36:30

As you just don't know where to turn. You know, it's not like we could go sell our house. We weren't financially set like that, like okay, you know we're going to give up, you know, a $350,000 house?

Speaker 2: 36:43

No, we got to fix something here, Mike had gone to work a couple days later and again he's got this depressed, angry. Look on his face. You see him. You don't want to approach him, type. You can just feel that. And this the guy that was one guy that approached him at work sells houses on the side and that's how we ended up buying our house.

Speaker 2: 37:06

And Travis goes up to Mike and is like Matt, mike, you know what the fuck's wrong with you? Why are you so angry? He was messing with him when he said it. And Mike's like dude, not now. And Travis is like dude, seriously, what's going on? And Mike's like I haven't slept much, I'm dealing with a lot. He sold us a fucking haunted house, so get the fuck away from me. So Mike told him and he's like what do you mean? And Mike starts telling him about what we're dealing with that house. He's like hey, I've got some people that will come and we'll do it for free, because they do this. They have real jobs. One's an engineer, two of them are teachers, husband and wife, and they do this on the side. They're not wanting to make money, they're just interested. And Mike's like give Julie the information. So Travis ends up messaging me with them with their contact info. So I end up messaging them and I talked to them. We kept conversing back and forth, text messaging, and then Facebook, instagram messaging. They finally agreed to kind of take our case on and we had a date to where we were going to do like a phone interview. And it was like a week before they could do this phone interview.

Speaker 2: 38:26

I remember that Well. At that time I kept doing research on our house. I got the first people in the 1700s from Thomas Jefferson who signed a land grant to the first owners of our house. I mean I have every information of faucet. I can tell you everything that happened on our house and our land where our house is good. I'm learning more and more about Jimmy, the Johnson family. It was one of the only murders that occurred in Carney, which was actually called centerville at the time. I'm learning how bad of anger this man had. Tyler was not wrong. I'm learning how Jimmy and Charlie died. I mean, I'm learning all sorts of stuff and it's just like hitting me, it was of an overload. Every day I was learning more and more stuff.

Speaker 1: 39:29

And are you talking to I mean, besides obviously, the priest and this team of ghost hunters? Are you talking to anyone else about this really?

Speaker 2: 39:42

No, my mom, I did talk to my mom because they're going to look at me like I'm just fucking nuts.

Speaker 1: 39:49

Well, understandably right. I mean because you might have done the same thing like before all of this happened. Yeah, that's the kind of crazy part about this. So you just keep finding out more and more and it's corroborating everything your son is telling you and there's no way on earth that he could know this stuff. Yeah, that's what always catches me. It's like when you put the kids in it like that you couldn't tell them the story to retell it, you couldn't feed them that lie.

Speaker 2: 40:27

No, wow, we live in small town, kearney, missouri. One of the original founders last name is Greenfield, and the Greenfields were connected to our land. There's a Greenfield big housing addition even, but they had their original house was where our house stood and it was cattle. They were raising cattle and they would sell cattle down to the stockyards in Kansas City stockyards. So again, I'm learning more and more.

Speaker 2: 41:06

And this was like the late 1800s to early 1900s. Well, I learned. I mean, again, I went all the way from seventh and jumping, so please forgive me, I went from the 1700s I had to 1900s to where we are now. I mean it was over. It was very much an overload. I did find it fascinating and I'm still fascinated today. I still try to find stuff. The original owner of our house was married, was a fur trader and was married to an Indian lady, a Sue Indian, and I found where he was buried. I found where their kids would bury, but I never found her, which I always found that odd. She ended up staying on the land and, I believe, dying on the land, but we never. You just Indian culture, tradition. They may have buried her in a different way compared to the kids or her husband.

Speaker 1: 42:08

Yeah, yeah, just cultural differences.

Speaker 2: 42:12

Absolutely, absolutely. Now the second owner of our land was another had married another Indian lady, which I felt it was weird. There was so much Indian connection there too. When her husband died she stayed on the land and the new owners allowed her to live with them Again. They were and this is like 1830s to 1840s. Women, let alone Indian women widows weren't allowed to own land or anything. So it ended the land ended up going to being sold, but they allowed her to stay there Like as a house servant is how she ended up staying on the land. She did not want to leave it because I read different stories and books in the Clay County register. She was in the genealogy department that had really cool, interesting stories that she had written like journals entries. So I was able to get different faucets of people's life and I learned a lot about our town. I will say that I didn't realize Carney was actually called Centerville back then. It had been renamed after the Civil War.

Speaker 1: 43:25

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 43:28

After she passed, I don't know, the second Indian lady passed, don't know where she ended up buried either. So these two women, they're MIA, they're totally MIA. The new owners of the land ended up buying more cattle and they were buying land and just kept growing. And these were the green fields, this was the green field family, and they ended up buying the opening up the first bank in Carney. I mean, they were just, they were buyers, they were trying to make money and I mean they were very successful at it as well. Well, they had the.

Speaker 2: 44:12

Ruth Greenfield was the original lady that lived on our land and it was a, you know, old farmstead type house, plantation house at the time. And I started doing some research on her and through ancestry and I ended up finding her nephew. He and I contacted him and kind of told him a little bit what was going on in our house. Well, he ends up sending me all sorts of pictures of her and what our house looked like. Well, it's not our house by any means. It's just where our house stood, the land back. Then he sends me pictures of the cattle and how it all entered play. There was a horse track by our house. We had no idea. I mean just again, I'm learning more and more stuff and it's history, so it's intrigues me as well.

Speaker 2: 45:07

Well, I remember I printed out a picture of Ruth Greenfield and I put it on our kitchen island. Then I had a picture of my grandmother, my great grandmother, and then just an old lady that I printed off the internet and I left it on the kitchen island and I was cooking dinner and Tai Tai comes in and he's full of energy and he runs in the kitchen real fast and we have hardwood floor, so he slid through and he crawls up on that kitchen island. He looks at the pictures and he looks at me. He said, mommy, why do you have the picture of the old lady? And I said what are you talking about? He goes, this old lady, and he picks up the picture of Ruth Greenfield, greensfield, and I was like what do you? And this lady had Very thin lips, very curly, curly, curly hair and she had like a black dress and it had like a doily on top, like a lace that makes, if you can kind of visualize that.

Speaker 1: 46:13

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:14

And he shows me the picture and she's like standing in the field and you could see the cows and everything behind her. And I was like, do you know her, tai, tai? He's like, yeah, she comes and spies on Charlie and Jimmy night, every night, every time we play. And I was like like. I was like is she mean to you? And he goes no, she's just annoying. And I was like, why do you say she's annoying? Because because every time we start playing she starts yelling at them. Is what he tells me. And I was like, well, and you know, again, he's six. And I was like, well, maybe she's just playing with them, tyler, he goes. No, she does not like them. And I said, well, how about the other people? He's like I don't know who they are. He goes, all I know is this annoying lady and then he runs off.

Speaker 1: 47:10

Ok so did you. Did you set those up to try to get him to notice?

Speaker 2: 47:18

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 47:19

OK, and it, and it worked.

Speaker 2: 47:21

Yeah, how would he yeah?

Speaker 1: 47:24

exactly. So he's seeing these, yes, he's seeing this as well as hearing it.

Speaker 2: 47:34

And so now, now we've got Jimmy and Charlie, and now we have a little lady in my house.

Speaker 1: 47:41

And were they unrelated?

Speaker 2: 47:44

She didn't know.

Speaker 1: 47:45

Jimmy and Charlie were brothers.

Speaker 2: 47:47

Right, yes, but. And so we got Jimmy and Charlie there, and now we have the Greenfield, greenfield.

Speaker 1: 47:55

Not related to Jimmy and Charlie.

Speaker 2: 47:57

No, no, jimmy and Charlie were there on the land first. This Greenfield came after.

Speaker 1: 48:08

Sure, yeah, that's strange.

Speaker 2: 48:13

Yes, it was. Yeah, I had to have a couple of drinks that night.

Speaker 1: 48:16

Let's say that's like a ghost party.

Speaker 2: 48:19

Pretty much at my expense. I'm hosting it too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm trying to figure out. You know what is going on, what do I do? You know where do we go from here?

Speaker 2: 48:32

So I really was just trying to find out as much about Ruth Greenfield as I can, and she was a very prominent lady in Carney. Their family is, like I said, there's a housing division that's named after in the bank they started the first bank here in Carney. I mean, it was so many avenues of this, of like this was taking us. Well then, the nephew of Ruth Greenfield since me, it was a receipt from the stockyard of sale of, you know, the cows from the Kansas City Stockyards. So I'm and again my husband and I were communicating and I'm telling him everything I'm finding. Well, then he starts telling me kind of, find out, his uncle was a big trader in the stockyards and ended up knowing what did business with the Greenfields. So now we're in a whole different avenue here. I mean, like I said, this just kept evolving, like how is this even possible? I cannot remember my husband's. I think they called him Oki because he was originally from Oklahoma, that was. This is your husband's uncle.

Speaker 1: 49:47

Great, great uncle.

Speaker 2: 49:50

Great, great uncle.

Speaker 1: 49:51

Great, great uncle Okay.

Speaker 2: 49:54

That had moved from Oklahoma to here to the Liberty, yeah, and was doing stockyards. That's why he was making. His money was through the stockyards and he couldn't read or write or anything or anything. So he started. So then we're taking again, we're all going on a whole different direction here. How is the Greenfields are now my husband's family is somehow connected to them. So then we start doing research on my husband's family and sure enough, they did do stockyard trading with the Greenfields and more than likely he was probably incarnate and could have come to our land.

Speaker 2: 50:46

It was. It was just weird. Like I said, this just accomplished so much. So the following week, I remember, I had the interview with the psychic mediums and I had it at work. I went into our conference room and I started. I did not tell them everything, I only talked to them. I only gave them cliff notes. I did not give them details of everything I had found because I really wasn't believing they were legit. I just didn't believe. It's hard when you're going through it because you don't believe you're going through it either, but you know you're going through it. Yeah, it's a weird feeling.

Speaker 1: 51:30

And you're almost so. You're a little skeptical of them.

Speaker 2: 51:33

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 51:34

Yeah, Absolutely Did that. Did that? I mean you can tell the story, but did that eventually change?

Speaker 2: 51:41

Oh yeah, absolutely. So we had it set for the ghost hunters to come like the following weekend. And I remember Mike, I made sure the kids were gone. They went to grandma's and then Mike was. They were coming on a Saturday night, they did not need us in the house, so I was going out with some of my wrestling moms birthday party. My husband had to work on Sunday morning but they said that's fine, he can stay in the bedroom, we'll take care of everything else as long as you let us in, like okay. So we had everything set.

Speaker 2: 52:24

They decided to come come, I think a little earlier than expected, which worked out. They came in the house and they kind of I remember when they came over the house there's three of them, it was a husband and wife and then their friend who was the engineer. The husband wife were teachers in a nearby city. They seem very nice people and they actually did not want me to tell them everything. So when they came to our house, I remember they came, the door opened and I'll never forget the look on their face was the same look that father Al gave us. They looked around like holy shit. It was one of those looks and I remember the engineer guy looked at the what the the lady and he's like, do you feel it? And she's like yeah. And he's like, do you see it? And she's like absolutely.

Speaker 1: 53:19

And Mike and I are creepy.

Speaker 2: 53:22

What the fuck.

Speaker 2: 53:23

Yeah, that's nothing, we see nothing, and this is daylight, this is like five or six o'clock in the afternoon. So we do a tour around our whole entire house. We have a four bedroom house. We have a fairly good size backyard. We took them the backyard, I mean, we showed them everything. And they're the man, the husband, teacher, he was more the investigator and taking notes. The wife and the engineer were the, the mediums and feeding off each other, and they're every room would go into. Oh, did you see that? Oh, did you feel that? Oh, my gosh, yes, I feel that. Oh my God, my arms, you know, here are my arms. I mean, they're just every room we went into.

Speaker 1: 54:07

It's lighting up? Yeah, they're just lighting up.

Speaker 2: 54:11

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 54:12

So they're spiritually sensitive, a mediums spiritually sensitive, and that's maybe a lot like your son was.

Speaker 2: 54:21

Absolutely or is when they came in time to go in our bedroom. They didn't want to go in our bedroom and Mike and I are like I'm like this is you know where we sleep, and like oh yeah, we're good, we don't need to go in there. And you could tell like scared they did not want to go in there at all. So what they ended up doing was they set all their equipment, they had multiple screens and they had the, you know those lights, the, not like the clap on lights, but the sensor to where you walk by. Then the light would turn on. So they had those set up in the garage, my son's room, downstairs Tyler's room, of course, my daughter's room and the hallway and the kitchen. And I was going out. My husband went out for dinner and then when he got home, he went into the bedroom and just closed the door and by this time it was like I don't know about nine o'clock because he might get up super early. Four, four, 30 ish. I was gone. They were doing their stuff.

Speaker 2: 55:30

I text them on my way home, which was around midnight. So now I'm on my way home, is it okay? And they're like, yeah, come on home. So when I got there they had all their screens going and they told me how they pretty well think they know what's going on. Would I mind watching the screens while they go down into the garage? I'm like, okay, sure, so I'm watching the screens and they told me to text them if I saw any lights flickering or anything abnormal on the screen. They go down to the garage and by this time it's probably about one o'clock in the morning. When they go down to the garage, I'm watching the screens, I look up and I see a light flickering in my hallway upstairs. So I text them. They answer back Okay, thank you. Keep us updated if it happens again.

Speaker 1: 56:27

Okay, these regular cameras, or they like that. I see they have infrared sometimes.

Speaker 2: 56:33

These are like sense yeah, it's infrared, but these also are like just they remind me of stuff you find like at the Dollar Tree or Dollar Store or two, or just like a little light sensor. Go, you walk by, the light goes on.

Speaker 1: 56:46

Okay, okay, oh, I understand the like motion detectors.

Speaker 2: 56:51

Thank you.

Speaker 1: 56:52

I can think of the word yes, Okay so you, they set up motion detectors and then you have a screen. What? What's on the screen?

Speaker 2: 57:01

Each bedroom, the hallway, the hallway. The only thing that was not on there was the was the garage, and they were there.

Speaker 1: 57:09

Okay.

Speaker 2: 57:10

Brouch. So I'm I mean, I text him probably six, seven times hey, hallway light going on. They told me they would probably be down in the base in the garage for at least a couple hours. They were up within 30 minutes. So they come up and I'm like I made a joke, because to me I'm still not buying into everything and I just made a joke. I'm like, oh, did you find the ghost? And they're like they look at each other like, oh shit, do we say anything? And they're like, yeah, do you want us to tell you now? And I'm like, yeah, tell me what's going on. And they tell me. And they're looking at each other. They're just constantly like scared to talk. They don't want to tell me anything. And they're like, well, let us put our stuff away. So by this time it's probably close to two-ish. They finished packing their stuff and I'm still sitting there like, okay, why can't they just talk to me and tell me what's going on?

Speaker 1: 58:24

They're about to tell you just how weird this is. Yes, that's, that's kind of what I'm guessing. What comes next? Yes is going to be like we want to leave right after we tell you this.

Speaker 2: 58:38

Yes, absolutely. So they tell, they tell me how they need to talk to me, but they need to talk to me in the middle of the street, outside, not on the property. So I'm like, okay, so they're like, and I remember I like I said I'd been out, I had my McDonald's. I still eat my McDonald's. I will never forget I have double cheeseburger and french fries. So I left my food, went into the. We, all three of all, four of us, then three and then myself. We walk into the middle of the street and by this time it's 2, 30 in the morning, 237. I actually remember that Leave in the leave in the living room, going in the middle of the street, and it's dark, by all means 2, 30 in the morning, and I'm like we cannot tell you in the house what's going on. And I'm like, okay, and they're like there's multiple facets going on in your house. You have multiple entities.

Speaker 1: 59:43

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