Speaker 1: 0:00

Start rolling whenever you'd like. My dear, how do you sound?

Speaker 2: 0:07

Pretty good Sound confident.

Speaker 1: 0:12

Confident and deep. You get that deep voice, you're gonna take off the headphones and be like Fuck. Alright, let's be serious, serious, I'm so serious. Fuck around, who cares? Alright, no more games. Alright, thank you for tuning in to the Redacted Podcast. We have our guest here who's been so gracious to come on and tell his very kind of fucking, strange and fucked up story. For us it's a weird one. We like it, but he's anonymous so nobody will know that it's his weird story. Could be anyone's weird story. We got Pamela back there fussing around. I don't know what she does. Back there Runs the audio board and the video board, but she's been sworn to secrecy too, so she's not gonna reveal you, but thank you for coming on, you're welcome.

Speaker 2: 1:45

She's probably back there doing all the work. Yeah, we just sit up here and bullshit.

Speaker 1: 1:51

She has to sit back there and work. We're just taking around. She's good for it, though.

Speaker 2: 1:58

That's fine.

Speaker 1: 1:59

She likes it. I think, do you like it? She likes it. Okay, that's good, it's gotta be pretty interesting, yeah, listening to us all day.

Speaker 1: 2:10

Well, you guys are interesting. I'm not, I'm just the guy, the guy that brings the interesting people. That's a key element. Yeah, so the story you had was kind of fucked up and I guess we don't have to preface it too much, we can just kind of go with it. But you were fucking around with some pretty powerful weird government defense contract or people and it seemed like kind of a just interesting, like surprising interesting, and it might give a little insight into that world, but an inside look at it. So, from what I remember, we talked about it briefly, but you met. So you met a woman on a dating app and this was what 10 years ago or eight years ago or something.

Speaker 2: 3:01

About nine now yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:03

Nine years ago.

Speaker 2: 3:06

Give or take. It was 33 at the time and she actually I didn't meet her. She kind of stalked me out on this dating side.

Speaker 1: 3:18

She stalked you.

Speaker 2: 3:21

Yeah, I kicked her there. Okay, I kept refusing her and I didn't really I wasn't interested. I had a couple of. I wasn't in a committed relationship but I had a couple relationship type friendships, so to say and she really wasn't on the radar until she messaged me randomly One night. I just happened to be alone and I kind of took her up on her offer of coming over to hang out.

Speaker 1: 3:52

originally, she gave you a U-up yeah At random what you doing.

Speaker 2: 3:58

What are you doing? I was like not much. She's kind of laying around hanging out. She's like do you want to come over and come see me? I was like, well, I'd only come over for one reason, and one reason only and she signed up, so I didn't know what to expect really.

Speaker 2: 4:17

I ended up going over there and she was older, right. Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I wasn't too interested. It was kind of it's not that it didn't appeal to me, but I was like, oh well, what would this turn into? And she was at the time I was 33, she was 45, so it was a nice little difference.

Speaker 1: 4:44

That's a decent gap, yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:48

I didn't really know what to expect. I never saw her in person. I met her on Tinder, so it's all just photos.

Speaker 1: 4:54

You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 4:56

You don't really truly know what this person's about, or anything like that Kind of strictly a. Okay, we're going to, I'm going to come over.

Speaker 1: 5:05

See what this shit's about. Yeah, so you get over there.

Speaker 2: 5:09

Yeah, I go, I end up showing up to her house. It's. I say it's probably about 1130, 12 o'clock and right as soon as walking in the door it starts, we start. She was all over me At the time. I was in pretty decent shape, going to the gym on a regular yeah, so I was kind of just like you went with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah Of course I got to.

Speaker 1: 5:42

It's like Stiffler's mom was jumping on.

Speaker 2: 5:45

It's exactly. It turned out to be a lot better than I expected it was not. I wasn't disappointed. It was, it was a, it was a good night. We ended up going for a few hours and it was like, okay, well, thanks, I'm going to leave. And lo and behold I. I ended up going to put my shoes on and there's $300 in my shoes that she put there.

Speaker 1: 6:15

Oh shit, yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:16

Like I didn't even know. I wasn't really like a spoke of thing or anything like that. She just kind of dropped money on me and I'm like I they had to feel a little fucked up.

Speaker 1: 6:29

It hurt my heart. It hurt my heart at first.

Speaker 2: 6:33

And then I high fived myself.

Speaker 1: 6:39

I became a high fived myself. I liked that because you're like well, I guess it was pretty awesome. 300 bucks, that's fucked up Looking back.

Speaker 2: 6:53

it's demoralizing, but at the time a 33 year old guy, I've been pretty decent shape. I'm like okay, maybe the funny memory. Maybe I could turn this into a profession. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1: 7:06

So then she would hit you up more, yeah, kind of a kind of offer money again.

Speaker 2: 7:13

Oh yeah, it was always unspoken. It was like a thing she would literally just pay me and I would.

Speaker 1: 7:19

So she's just like you come over and then she just kind of casually slips you some money and then and that went on for a little bit- yeah, kind of evolved into a couple of times a week, probably three, four times a week. But as the increase, you have to report that to the IRS. At that point, jeez.

Speaker 2: 7:41

I don't know. I don't know. The payment stops the more time we ended up spending together. I would stay over later and later and things would grew to be a little bit more intimate, obviously because you know more of a relationship maybe you can't have that kind of transfer with someone and it not evolve.

Speaker 1: 8:04

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:05

Yeah, and she was pretty, she was pretty demanding and like it took a lot out of me, so I would, we would, I would relax afterwards After the law court. You know what? I'm just going to hang out and then she's demanding. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:23

And I'm just like, just like Old kinky lady demanding very much so yeah, okay there was. She had some weird kinks and some weird yeah she things.

Speaker 2: 8:34

Yeah, I Couldn't really not gonna say that it wasn't enough, but you just kept wanting more. Okay, it was, it wasn't that it wasn't satisfying, because they will. It more than Multiple times was. Yeah, and she just was. I really think she was just an old info going through it at that age Like some peak she was hitting or something like that just couldn't get enough. Yeah, like she happened to have. She had kids prior that were a little younger. They're probably in a nine ten range. They're not around.

Speaker 1: 9:14

With their dad, or, yeah, they were with their dad, so she's divorced.

Speaker 2: 9:18

Yeah, just recently divorced. Okay and I guess I was the fling at the time you were the rebound.

Speaker 2: 9:25

Yeah, and she was trying to get her fill. So it it benefited me because I was working two jobs at the time and I had a side income, but it was it's a little taxing, how silly, geez. Yeah it it. It was fulfilling for the point of Of like I was. It really stroked my ego. It made me feel like I was doing something. No, and it was well, it was about nothing, it was in the end, yeah.

Speaker 1: 9:56

But at the time you're like, look, fuck, yeah, he's the man. Yeah, like a jiggler.

Speaker 2: 10:02

I would tell my buddies about it and they wouldn't believe me, so I would just kind of be like all right.

Speaker 1: 10:10

So how did she? How did I mean? That's a lot of money. How did she have that money?

Speaker 2: 10:17

At first I didn't really know she was it. She was a teacher. She was out of work at a time, but she had said that she sold her house and in the divorce and you got the money from the house or whatnot. So because we would start talking and discussing things about her family and Come to find out she has, like, an older brother that lives Oakley and she ended up moving into one of his properties, so she doesn't really have to pay anything.

Speaker 1: 10:45

He owned the properties, so she was living for free on big bro.

Speaker 2: 10:48

Yeah, and you know she's just trying to Find work and reestablish her life in New York because she came from another state and so as we keep being getting more and more involved, it ends up turning into an actual relationship like I would go over there to hang out with her and spend some time with her or whatnot. And At that point it was probably about Almost a month and a half, in two months in we kind of I kind of I shut her down on the payment for the money.

Speaker 2: 11:23

I'm like you don't really have to give me money anymore, like you don't have to pay me for having sex with you at this point, like you know like I'm tired, I can't do it anymore. Like you're expecting too much, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:37

I can't sign off on that invoice, um, but throughout um that I kind of like Are you know, pillow talk, she would tell me about her brother and uh what, what he was going through or whatnot, and he would, she would lead into things because uh he was struggling, he had some some real life issues going on. To where uh he he not that he needed help, but he needed someone to be able to uh Take care of things because he owned all those properties. He wasn't always around and uh Sheik wasn't doing it. He was. She was supposed to be his assistant, like paid assistant, but she was just I guess she had some entitlement things where she's like I don't have to do anything and I'm your sister, I could just live here um, and you're thinking this dude's pretty loaded.

Speaker 2: 12:30

Then yeah, because I didn't. I didn't understand, like, if she's not doing nothing, he owns all these properties. What's really going on? You know what I mean? I could I'm One night, um I'm over there and he happened to be in town and, uh, he owned, he owned the house across the street too, um, so I saw his truck and it was just a regular work truck and it had it had the uh, his company logo on it and it kind of threw me for a loop a little bit because, um, it's pretty significant company, it's well known, oh, in in certain fields and, uh, I looked it up, the um the logo's fucked up, like you told me the name we're not gonna say it here but yeah, yeah, that's, that's the logo man.

Speaker 2: 13:21

So it kind of uh, I gotta Give a little feedback because she met me on tinder but she also we ended up being friends on facebook or whatnot, and oh yeah, I'm into like some uh, well, I call it conspiracy theories or secret knowledge or like occult beliefs.

Speaker 1: 13:45

Yeah, that logo is like a, like a bullseye for conspiracy and the name and the name. But I'm like I looked it up and I was like you gotta be fucking kidding me. Just like that in plain sight.

Speaker 2: 14:00

That's fucked up and I didn't want to really believe that it was that obvious. I'm like it's just gotta be a ploy it can't be just throw it out there. Yeah, it can't be just that in your face. And uh, I've come to find out.

Speaker 1: 14:17

Like if a bad guy was trying to like, if they they had a bad guy in a movie and they gave him a fake company name to sound evil and look evil, it would be that like, yeah, like that's some crazy shit.

Speaker 2: 14:30

Yeah, yeah, it kind of, uh, it threw me. It threw me for a loop. Like I didn't know what to do with that information at the at the time I kind of just stored it away in In front of Rolodex. It was like, okay, I'm gonna have to kind of see what this is about.

Speaker 1: 14:45

Yeah, so what did? When did you end up finding? So you end up doing some work for him.

Speaker 2: 14:52

Yeah, so he, she had devolved some information to me that night when his truck was there this is, uh, probably about three months into our relationship cry, at a three month mark and uh, she devolved some information that her brother has some addiction issues or whatnot, and uh, that he was kind of going through it with a drug dealer what, what have you, they were taking them for a lot of money because, uh, you know, they, I guess they saw a mark and they saw that he had money, had company, and uh, she just told me that, like she would need, she would need me to go with, go with her and him somewhere to like just stand there. Essentially, so it's like there's another player and he needed some backup. Yeah, not even backup, but just to let it be known that there's another player in the game and that there's like that dude's not going to be an option anymore. Okay, it's. Uh, it's just like your. Just like your, your, your privileges are being revoked.

Speaker 1: 16:00

Yeah, essentially.

Speaker 2: 16:00

Yeah, because, uh, I didn't find this out till after his um, his addiction is actually pretty, how would you say? Heavy, not heavy, but it's specific, like he. Okay, yeah, well, it's cocaine, but it has to be delivered, it has to be ready there waiting, and he doesn't want to have to give you the money once, everything to already be Paid for, set, done, paid for less streamlined that's what streamlined, his addiction is streamlined. So because he travels a lot, he wasn't around often. He would only get little bits of time to come, get high and then go back to his employment or Company.

Speaker 1: 16:55

essentially, like a little ritual.

Speaker 2: 16:57

He did almost, yeah, and it could have been, given the information from the company, could have definitely been a ritual. It would have been a dark ritual that it has.

Speaker 1: 17:08

Ties with. Didn't think about that, yeah no fucked up, shit man.

Speaker 2: 17:12

Yeah, I.

Speaker 1: 17:15

So you're, you're helping him do obtain this or?

Speaker 2: 17:18

It didn't start there. We ended up kind of cutting that dude out and I just naturally stepped into that position. I had a couple of contacts that I knew on my own accord and you know I saw opportunity in front of myself.

Speaker 2: 17:33

So if you know what have you? I'm okay, there's money to be made and there's good money to be made, yeah, so I'm gonna go for it, and it ended up working out for a little bit. He gave me an actual position to to fill as well as Taking care of the properties that were there while he's gone, and then I would be with his sister, take care of the properties and also Essentially be his runner. Yeah, you know, like to take care of the little bit, kind of.

Speaker 1: 18:05

We just were you like an employee, like getting a paycheck.

Speaker 2: 18:09

I had a stipend, you know, I mean whenever I need like.

Speaker 1: 18:11

I didn't know if you're like payrolled.

Speaker 2: 18:14

No, I wasn't ever on the books. No, I don't know how they would classify that, that on the books, I mean. There's plenty of ways in that industry?

Speaker 1: 18:23

Yeah, there's plenty way to do it. They can definitely do that one. Yeah, it'd be a researcher Powdered substance researchers.

Speaker 2: 18:37

So once we kind of started Me and her relationship started yeah, evolving you know it was more about servitude of him To what he wanted and what was going on and all of his properties and the business and all the elements that were coming into play there, because it was in a Local town but it was with an airstrip and the airstrip was right around the corner from the houses. So whenever he would come into town it would be he Land in the airfield, come over to the house, run a muck around three or four houses, get in high making a mess, not knowing what he's doing, and just so the guy owned, so his company owned an airstrip yeah the company he owned owned Like a little airstrip, and then there was houses right by that.

Speaker 2: 19:29

Yeah, the company you own is actually a Aero space aero space company that's more into. It was trying to branch into solar work, to make solar planes, and what he did make solar they were doing defense contracting too right, yeah yeah, which Some pretty high-powered Officials on their board. I've never met the people.

Speaker 1: 19:58

I looked, I looked at the list of people on the board. Yeah, it's pretty fucking. You got generals and shit on there and yeah, I, yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:06

I did not know what I was stepping into at this point.

Speaker 1: 20:10

Yeah, I kind of I Went in headfirst and I just flew by the seat of my pants, Essentially well, you probably think if, if you're with his sister, you're kind of I Don't know in a good position, that you're, that you're gonna be taken care of or not Fucked with too much, or it secured my position because, like you, have an in and you know Probably a whole lot of fuckery isn't gonna happen to you necessarily you know it was a lot of backlash from.

Speaker 2: 20:45

Yeah his actions, yeah, and didn't directly happen to me and his sister like our relationship. But the backlash that happened from within the local community and the town because the company it wasn't what it was made out to be. Obviously he I don't know if the addiction got ahold of him and he just wasn't able to fill Promises that he made because the town was mad at him. He couldn't bring in what he said he was bringing in. Yeah, or it was just a front. It was literally just a front to get hands on that airstrip.

Speaker 1: 21:24

I mean, there's a lot of other players that came in afterwards a lot of people would like an airstrip, especially up, and that's in the New York ish.

Speaker 2: 21:33

Yeah, yeah that that's High, high, high price. Oh yeah property and real estate beyond, and it's not. It's not a matter of Money at that point. It's a matter of who you know and how you can get your hands on that.

Speaker 1: 21:50

Yeah, so there's fights for it, people are fighting over it, and so, and just to kind of back up, like so I can visualize your life at that point Are you living with the sister? Yes, so you're living in one of the houses near the airstrip full-time, yeah, and you're working taking care of these houses, yeah, and hooking this dude up with coke, yes, and I mean among probably other little things. And then when he would, would he just go by himself? And you said he free-based, yeah, he does, so he would just go do this by himself.

Speaker 2: 22:26

Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I mean he would have, he would. He would have like call girls come around, he would have to know he Take care of whatever kind of finish he had, whatever.

Speaker 1: 22:40

So he wasn't married.

Speaker 2: 22:42

He was married and married and Newborn child and they lived maybe somewhere else family life. I've never ran into him, but I knew they were. If they knew what he was doing, okay, they knew what he was doing and I Didn't ever get to meet any of them, and neither did his sister, like they weren't on speaking terms. It wasn't a good relationship.

Speaker 1: 23:16

With the wife yeah yeah, with his wife or whatever.

Speaker 2: 23:19

Yeah, they the family, kind of his main family, not his wife. His original family thought that his wife was trying to Pull them, pull him away from them and he was. He was the breadwinner, yeah, of everything. Because, besides this company, he actually was a very, very smart individual who created some products for a lighting industry that he had patents on.

Speaker 2: 23:46

Yeah, he had patents on that he got paid from for Eternity, who you hope always be paid. His family will never have to worry about money. Wow, yeah, at one point he showed me something that he bought, which was a Masonic Lodge in another country For like 300 grand and it was a castle. Oh, Geez and he got it on a deal. He's like look at this castle, I got.

Speaker 1: 24:11

Discount Masonic Lodge. Yeah, was it Mason.

Speaker 2: 24:15

I wouldn't. I wouldn't know, I wouldn't know. I mean, if he was a Freemason, just based off of my knowledge, I don't think he would have that type of addiction, or I mean, addiction doesn't discriminate but I don't think he would be accepted, not sure.

Speaker 1: 24:34

Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2: 24:36

I don't really know the coal, no groups like that. So yeah, I just know that the opposite of mason's, which is company, you know, I mean it's kind of that's two battling entities right there.

Speaker 1: 24:51

If you're playing both sides of the deck. There my yeah, that kind of is. So you said and you also said, like he had this like big hanger.

Speaker 2: 25:01

Yeah, like.

Speaker 1: 25:03

Equipment that just they weren't making anything. They weren't doing anything.

Speaker 2: 25:07

Yeah well, which just didn't seem like part part of my part of my duties was Whenever he was in town I would have to take him back and forth from the airstrip. I would drive him there, pick him up, we'd stop, get food, whatever he wanted to do. Yeah, and they had a heirs the on the airstrip that he had a personal hangar where the company was located. But it was. There was nobody ever at this hanger where the company was, that there was Absolutely nothing going on. It was. It was pretty much just a storehouse for his toys. He had like old planes in there. He, I remember he had an old one of the old Indian book cruisers that broke the land speed record.

Speaker 1: 25:49

Oh, that's sweet.

Speaker 2: 25:50

Yeah, he had one of those and I, when I went in, all the CNC machines, all the milling stuff, all of the designs, everything was just Left there. Yeah and I I want. When I walked in, you feel like a vast emptiness of Absolutely nothing happens in this place. But it's set, yeah, it's just set. So Whoever needs to see this or whatever it's here.

Speaker 2: 26:14

You know, I Was like yeah, maybe, maybe the company's, maybe the yeah, maybe the company's going under because this dude's Losing everything because of what's going on in his life, but it didn't even seem like there was a company. Essentially, I mean, obviously there is a real company, but there wasn't employees. There was nobody in these houses. Yeah, it was just. I Really believe it was just a ploy for that airstrip and it was kind of a front and then some fucked up stuff Happened with that.

Speaker 2: 26:49

Yeah, that airstrip, you said, and like there was a couple powerful, yeah, investment groups and yeah, the, the people that were power, that were trying to battle for this property, were, um, actually really, really big wigs in the real estate industry, like developers. Yeah, a mall of America, but it's a it's a it's kind of like a family thing.

Speaker 2: 27:14

Yeah it's, you know a. They were a group. They own some of the hugest malls in the world and they want to try to buy up all their air airfield in that general area. Yeah, so they started having Either private investigators or whatnot look for any kind of dirt on this guy that they can, because there's a lot of money at play. There's a lot of any bit, any tiny bit of information that can Make the town or anyone revoke this guy's lease on that property, so they could have an in they're looking for.

Speaker 1: 27:50

So, everything that's where it got weird with you, where they start. Yeah, following you and his sister around.

Speaker 2: 27:56

Yeah, at that time I had tails on me anywhere I went. They were always watching us. They were Anywhere I went. I you can feel it. You can feel that you're being watched. It's that they're not gonna mess with you, but they're gonna watch and they're gonna see what.

Speaker 1: 28:12

They're just looking and waiting For someone to fuck up. Yeah, or they, um, I I mean different people, or were they?

Speaker 2: 28:20

It was a aim there, they would switch up. But I'd see a lot of familiar faces. I would see like certain, certain Trevor, talk to him.

Speaker 1: 28:29

No, okay, what the fuck you doing?

Speaker 2: 28:31

No I, they wouldn't get within, like it would keep their distance safe, safe enough. So, like once I approached, they peel off and it was almost taken pictures and shut. I Don't know if they took any pictures, but I'm sure they did. I'm sure they had plenty of evidence on it.

Speaker 1: 28:51

So then, were you, were you kind of is everyone kind of trying to watch their fucking peas and queues?

Speaker 2: 28:56

Yeah, but it was. It was really unspoken. It was because, I'd, mind you, he never told me any of this information, nor did she this. All this came out. I figured all of this out by my own evaluation of what was going on. Like what was taking place, like seeing that none of the houses, nobody's living there, nobody's living in any of these properties, nobody has lived in any of these properties, it's just him and he just uses them for whatever kind of fuckery. And then, once I got to go to the hangar and I saw that like absolutely no work was being done there, there was nothing, there was no projects, there was nothing on it, just kind of it clicked.

Speaker 2: 29:41

It made more sense because I had an understanding, because I looked for the information of yeah basically was like you know what I got to figure out what I got myself into, because it's too good to be true, like I'm I'm literally supplying drugs for this guy. But I'm supplying copious amounts of drugs, like I'm going to get 100 grams of cocaine every four days, damn, back and forth to a connect that I knew out in the city and Like it was project, like it's when you're when you're doing that every couple days. It's not, it's not safe. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's like you have to be on your toes.

Speaker 1: 30:23

So I You're looking over your shoulder everywhere you go, your head's always on a swivel, and your I was.

Speaker 2: 30:31

I started partaking because of the fact that I had to stay up to do all this. I had to stay up and I had to literally Do it. So, just so I didn't have to, I chose to because of the fact that I was Committed, which I don't know what. Why I stuck with her. I guess the sex was great. Yeah, I was making good money, like every time that, uh, every time he would Want anything. I'm pulling out Six, seven hundred for him, two, three hundred for me, going to put it in my account and then going to take care of whatever. Yeah, it was. There was plenty of money to go around and then on top of what she'd pay me. So it was.

Speaker 2: 31:17

It was and a little bit of an adventure, but I Ended up Getting bugged out. Once I started having to drive him back and forth, once I started having to drop him off and he would just take off, he'd be up for like four days. He would literally be up smoking crack for four days. I'd take him to the airstrip. There'd be a jet waiting for him. He would literally just hop in. I'd sit in park and wait for him to taxi and take off. I'm like what is this dude do?

Speaker 1: 31:48

I'm like what?

Speaker 2: 31:50

What is it that he's kind of here right hiding out who but is he involved with? So I, when I started asking myself these questions, I'm gonna you look for something you're gonna find an answer that freaks out along.

Speaker 1: 32:01

Yeah, it's gonna be a little like uneasy.

Speaker 2: 32:04

Yeah, you didn't sit right with me. So, on top of me running, not sleeping, getting high To having to tend to all all of that, I wanted a break. I wanted to like Just walk away from it for a little bit or whatnot. So I Kind of stepped back from, I Hit the relationship with her because that was like primary, that with that key element I ended up stepping away and it wasn't even Probably two, three days. I End up right back with her Going back because he literally made a trip to come down and they had no connect. They had no connect or anything like that. So they pretty much they had not that they, they Bought me, but they bought me. You know. I mean they paid for me just so I can go get it, and I Charged them an arm and leg. I ended up charging them like 1400 bucks just to even Show up like I'm, yeah, not playing around. But I Mean it's what. It was kind of my risk. I don't want to keep harping on that topic it was kind of my risk.

Speaker 2: 33:17

So after that we ends up staying up for a few more days. I drop them off at the hangar. He ends up hopping in this helicopter, this time taking off shoes, yeah, and he's going to another part of the state to go back home and, I guess, be with the family and try to clean up or whatnot. Me and her end up staying together and she's kind of tired of it too. She's kind of tired of the running around. This should be in crazy. Having to deal with her brother having like people up her ass all the time, like she feels like she can't do anything. She's just got it. There's divorce. Yeah, she's weighing overhead with the young kid. That's kind of wild, because that's really what it was and she ends up going back to her parents, which are just further up in the city. Okay, and.

Speaker 2: 34:07

And while that happens, I stay at the properties. I'm gonna just keep staying at the property that I got a place to stay if we're you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 34:17

And I end up staying at the properties and I find out that I Start doing more research while I'm there. I'm like what's, what's? What was this dude really about? Yeah, and when I find out, that's how I found out about the other family that owned all the properties and they were trying to go after the airfield. Because I started reading information online about, like, the troubles with the town, didn't find out that he ended up having a lease on this airstrip and they were trying to get him out of the lease so they can buy the property.

Speaker 2: 34:54

And I Think I kind of not Helped them get that dirt, but by me being there and being a proxy with his sister, they got some dirt because of the fact that we were being involved too, so it was the three of us. So when they came you know what I mean it kind of made a situation a little more amplified. So she's staying at this point. She's staying. It's been all of, I'm gonna say, a total of six months Now okay, total of six months, right, we've blown through probably about 40 grand.

Speaker 2: 35:36

Yeah, easy, easily, yeah, if not more, maybe, maybe a little more than that, somewhere in that range, just between me and her. Yeah, just between me and her, like when he comes.

Speaker 2: 35:47

That's a separate entity, yeah and uh separate expenses yeah yeah, okay, um, that's at this point she's wanting to Take Duke over right and go see your kids and take care of things and get away from her brother, because her brother's not gonna stop, it's not gonna change. You know, I mean, she tried to fill in that position and she realized that she got roped into Everything way overhead with the, with one with the property issues, two with the drug addiction and three with being in a relationship that was completely toxic.

Speaker 1: 36:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:23

Yeah, so. So she ends up moving out of state back to where she was originally from came down, came down south, yeah, and uh, at that point we can say Florida.

Speaker 2: 36:36

Okay. So, yeah, yeah, she came back down to Florida. I ended up staying in New York for a little bit. I was like I got to figure out a new plan. I had a little bit of money put away, so I was alright. Um, I had to figure out a new plan. I kind of left the job because he wanted me to go upstate with him On the last time that he left and move the entire company upstate to a new property, to a new airstrip that he had another Piece of property in upstate New York that he was working on. But his sister, kind of in way by proxy, she told me to not go up and not get involved, that it's just gonna be the same kind of crap. And you know, I have some feeling, for I kind of want to take her word.

Speaker 2: 37:21

There is a genuine care about each other. It wasn't just it wasn't just you. So even though it started out as just being used, you know it kind of fondness. So he wanted me to load up the truck and trailer drive all of his main property at the one house that he would stay at the most and go upstate and help him build, because I have construction experience. He was gonna build and add onto the house that he had up there. He offered me that job position. When she took off. I was like you know what? We've been doing this for three, four months now. It's been fruitful. But I'm gonna go my separate way. I'm gonna kind of try to get away from this because it's just chaotic. It was a lot more than I bargained for, a lot of.

Speaker 1: 38:11

Well, this dude probably keeps you on edge a lot.

Speaker 2: 38:15

Well, yeah, you never know.

Speaker 1: 38:17

Because you would just swoop in, watch it. Everyone's got a fucking kind of hop to and then you just fucking swoop out and it sounds kind of edgy.

Speaker 2: 38:28

Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was the power of the money that he had, kind of just it's not that it makes it okay, but it makes it seem like it's okay. Well, I'll just pay for it. I would just pay for whatever and it's just unlimited. That's probably uncomfortable to be around. At first it was intimidating, and then it got to the point to where it's almost degrading.

Speaker 1: 38:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 38:56

It's like what do you think, just because you have money, what do you think you are? Do you think you just tell me when and how to do what?

Speaker 1: 39:03

Yeah, you're just my lackey.

Speaker 2: 39:05

Yeah, sorry, it doesn't work that way. So when he offered me that position I was kind of like you know what? I really just can't, it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1: 39:15

Because you probably knew what was gonna happen.

Speaker 2: 39:17

Yeah, I ended up. So I didn't take that position. I stayed at the priorities for a little bit more so I could figure out my own personal situation, and I ended up realizing how demonic those properties were that he was on like, how severely demonic it was, like whatever he was doing in that house or whatever it was, it was the main house, I just swear it. Like one night I was outside and I felt like I was in the seventh circle of hell, like it was just sketchy. Everything was dark. It was really sketchy because there was.

Speaker 1: 39:51

Is there anything in the houses that were fucking weird? Did you ever see anything fucking weird? Nothing like ritualistically there was, but that's kind of what you felt. Yeah, you said that earlier.

Speaker 2: 40:03

Yeah, the way he did things, the way that he would come up and just do it, it doesn't. I don't know if it was something that he was doing while he was there, if it had something to do with Some of his beliefs, I don't really know, because I never actually Saw it. Yeah, I saw it, or got high with him or did anything like that. It was just kind of like a servitude position, like here you go and he's gonna go take off and do what he wanted to do, which I got. Did you talk?

Speaker 1: 40:29

with him a lot. Did you like bullshit with him?

Speaker 2: 40:33

Yeah, when we first, when I first met him or what kind of gave me a lowdown, I found out who he was. The things that he's done, like multiple companies that he's open. He's a very smart, intelligent man. Like he definitely did all the things like he stabs his company and all that. It wasn't somebody else's doing, it was all him. Yeah, so it wasn't like he was lacking in any way, but maybe there was something that's altered and it was a darker.

Speaker 1: 41:05

Was he normal to fucking talk to?

Speaker 2: 41:08

Not really. He kind of went around everywhere. You would think he was homeless. You would completely think he's homeless.

Speaker 1: 41:14

Just the way he talked.

Speaker 2: 41:15

Yeah, unshaven, or the way he looked, oh no, no, no, the way he spoke was yeah, he's very well spoken, very high vocabulary. You would tell he's an intelligent man easily, but from the looks of things you would never know that he had a company behind him with military backing.

Speaker 1: 41:36

Millions and millions and millions.

Speaker 2: 41:38

Yeah, trying to invent new planes and Air strips and stuff. Gyroscopters and like really on a forefront of aerospace development, and he was involved and he had to connect so that all the people that were in that field and in that industry so I don't know if they knew that he was struggling with addictions and maybe they were trying to help him, maybe they were trying to get him out of it, maybe they were trying to get him out of the problem so they can get into where he's at.

Speaker 1: 42:14

You never know at that level man, that's like Game of Thrones shit.

Speaker 2: 42:17

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:19

Like yeah, I mean when, or you die, yeah, that's kind of how it goes. So when was when? Did you kind of, when did that chapter of your life end? Or how did that, how did the last chapter go?

Speaker 2: 42:32

Well, that was kind of the I would say that's the middle right there because we kind of went our separate ways, like he ended up staying in New York, he ended up finishing pursuing establishing the company upstate and his sister came to Florida. I ended up staying in New York. I actually went into a recovery because I just didn't want to feel like that anymore. I was like I can't even, I'm just done.

Speaker 2: 43:02

You get hooked, yeah, like that's just kind of. It literally took my life force, like it was kind of it was a dark time. Yeah, it didn't start as that, but it turned into it Just by those connections and I ended up going into recovery or whatnot. But as soon as I got out, his sister reached out to me and there was a lot of longing there still within me because you know, it was fun. It was not, it was. It was kind of like I felt like sex, drugs and rock and roll. I'm running gun and I got a limited funds I got. You know it was.

Speaker 1: 43:43

In a demonic neighborhood.

Speaker 2: 43:44

Yeah, really. I and it's a back pedal to go with everything being so dark and it be the name of eventually. It kind of double entendre. It plays into it now. Now it makes me a believer fully.

Speaker 1: 44:04

So then, how did Florida go?

Speaker 2: 44:06

Well, I came down to Florida and to be in a real relationship with this wizard and right off the bat it didn't work. We were in West Palm, we got a condo, we're like on the 13th floor, the Overlook and the Golf Course, right in downtown, right in West Palm.

Speaker 1: 44:28

I can't really say that we can say West Palm.

Speaker 2: 44:30

All right so we're good.

Speaker 1: 44:32

Yeah, there's a lot of people in West Palm.

Speaker 2: 44:34

Yeah, we're in the mix. We're in a mix.

Speaker 1: 44:37

This is his money. Yeah, this is his condo.

Speaker 2: 44:39

Well, this is where I found out that she actually has trust fund so she's taking care of. She gets a stipend every month, so like she's not, Trust fund from the family, yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:51

Gotcha. Through him, he basically set up everybody Okay and there's tons of money to go around. We're living in this condo and it's just free reign. She's not working, I'm not working, we go, we're going out drinking, we're going to movies, going out to the beach, going to the gym. Just living in West Palm. It's kind of you know, doing beach life Like oh, this is great and yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:18

She, me and her kind of start going through it because of the fact of what happened, what took place, and she gets a little violent and gets when she's drinking and ended up getting herself into a little bit of trouble with the law. I proceeded to not pursue it because I love and care for her and that was a pivotal point. This is where it starts closing, because we were having fun in West Palm until she just started getting a little crazy, but her brother still got a hold on her. Because people are still following us in West Palm. I'm walking around. I have people following me walking Like I would literally have to double back and they would just try to follow me to where I'm going to, whatever I'm doing.

Speaker 1: 46:07

And this is legit. You're not fucking imagining that.

Speaker 2: 46:10

No, I can visually point that person out and then do it again.

Speaker 1: 46:14

Well, there's like there's that element of where people saying people are.

Speaker 2: 46:18

No, this is a legit. People are like I don't know if it was from the government contracts that he had. I don't know if it was from private investigators from the family, I don't know if it was from other the other families that are trying to battle for property. I couldn't tell you who the power was or where it was coming from, but I know it all had to stem from him and what was going on.

Speaker 2: 46:43

So me and her start going through it and we decide to take off from West Palm because it's just a little chaotic. That opens up the door. Me and her just start running wild. So running wild, I'm going into cell phone stores to like buy new cell phones because we're getting random text messages on brand new phones that we bought. That nobody has the number and she's getting random messages. So it's like how does anyone have these numbers? Like what's going on here and I would think that it's recycle numbers or something like that. But when I walk into the store, she's sitting there whispering to these people. I'm like what's going on? And then she's commenting on, like just certain shit that like I wouldn't know about.

Speaker 1: 47:28

Shit's getting froggy. Yeah, and what do you think was going on then?

Speaker 2: 47:33

I mean, what do I think was going on? I really believe that I believe that she was involved with it in her brother, in like, not like the religious, the ritualist type things, but I believe, just by proxy of it being family, that her family is part of it. Like they know that these the things, like the role that they have to play, the position they're supposed to fill within this, this group, and just you know, like they're meant to have a company that's just used for power plays to do this.

Speaker 2: 48:15

you know what I mean. And by getting caught up and wrapped in it, she was messing things up and she was getting in trouble for it. So I think she was essentially trying to not ex me out of the situation but make it like that's not what it is, because she hid the trust fund from me for forever. She tried to make it. She always told me that, oh, her friend has trust funds, her friends has this, and that never gave up any information. I had to diligently find out what was going on and it was almost like it was wrong that I was questioning the situation and what was up like how is this, this or how is that that? And if I ask any questions, it's a problem.

Speaker 1: 48:56

Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2: 48:59

So we're in Orlando, we're kind of running and gunning and things get a little sketchy and it's actually probably right around my 34th birthday. So this is eight months into our relationship. It's my 34th birthday. I'm wanting to, I'm wanting to have a good birthday. It's I'm 34. Yeah, I want to spend some good time and whatever. And she's got some weird sexual addictions. So it was kind of it was kind of fun, it was. It was a little weird, it was kind of fun. But for my 34th birthday she ends up wanting to get a call girl. So we, we end up getting a call girl, doing the dress up thing and like having his big grand old birthday for me. Okay, we're using after that. It was a great, it was a really good birthday. Um, the next day I wake up on a hotel bed $20 in my hand, while it's gone. Everything in the room is gone, everything's covered in water and she's gone, gone, everything's covered in water, water.

Speaker 1: 50:14

What do you mean?

Speaker 2: 50:15

Water, like someone took water and dumped it all over the tables, all over the stuff that was out. Oh shit, yeah, like literally just covered in water.

Speaker 1: 50:24

Was it to get rid of the coke, or something?

Speaker 2: 50:27

I. I guess that was a deploy there, but uh yeah, I I fell asleep and I guess when I fell asleep she ended up taking off.

Speaker 1: 50:36

Okay.

Speaker 2: 50:37

She just hit the road, left me stuck stranded. I had no, no way. No, took my bank cards, took everything. Oh yeah, it was a. That was quite quite the wake up call. So you say, geez, yeah, I get carried on a little bit more after that. But she went to a private mental health care facility in Melbourne. Now, if you know, anywhere in Florida Florida one of the largest space tech development areas is over there.

Speaker 1: 51:13

Yeah, space coast yeah.

Speaker 2: 51:16

And everything's totally paid for, totally covered. It's secretive, nothing's out there and, uh, I kind of get dealt, I get left, left, hung out to dry, which I am. It's kind of understandable. Things were hectic, like I don't really fault her for it.

Speaker 1: 51:31

No.

Speaker 2: 51:32

Could have. Could have done it a little bit more casually, Like hey, uh there you go.

Speaker 1: 51:36

Yeah, sometimes that's the way to do it.

Speaker 2: 51:38

Yeah, I guess I mean it was great send off, essentially great birthday present, and then the next day it's just like I'm going to rob the blind and see you later. So, uh, we end up talking she stays in to. She stayed in the mental health place for three weeks or whatnot. I'm just making, making it, making it, making it do, really just through the call girl that I had met with her.

Speaker 1: 52:10

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:12

Trying to get by, get all my stuff, get back to West Palm and then go back to New York. At this point and, uh, she reaches out and it's like, well, you can come to Melbourne, you can come out over here and we'll, we'll try to set something up. Yeah, I go out, I go out there and she actually picks me up. I'm at the West Palm airport, I have a ticket, I'm going back to New York and last second she pulls up. Like I'm here, like don't go back, like to stop me, specifically to stop me from going back to New York, because I figured it out, I'm done, like I'm gone, I don't want to do this.

Speaker 1: 52:47

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:49

So she's like you can come, you can come to Melbourne. It's like, all right, well, what's going to happen there? I was like she's like we'll get a place, We'll get set up, We'll do, we'll do it. I was like, all right, well, let's go. More promises, Get to Melbourne. Lo and behold, I didn't know that it was one of the largest space development centers and it's that's where all of the private contractors are. It's really where everything kind of goes goes down.

Speaker 2: 53:16

Yeah, it was a little. The town itself was weird. Yeah, the town itself has got a really weird vibe to it, like it's just.

Speaker 1: 53:25

I noticed that yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:27

It's kind of as well. There's also I mean it's Florida, so there's a lot of methamphetamine around- so, you got zombies running everywhere, especially on that coast yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:39

I set myself up like I got a little room for rent. She's staying in like this care facility so she can get her shit together because she does have children. Yeah, I I wonder where the kids back in. I really want to try and work something out because at this point we're kind of invested. Even though there was a lot of toxic stuff, I sadly want to keep going for it out of some sense of loyalty.

Speaker 1: 54:03

Yeah and uh, you guys are like a tornado and a volcano.

Speaker 2: 54:07

Oh man, it was, it was, it was a little hectic.

Speaker 1: 54:09

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:12

Um, so, needless to say, is I didn't know. I was on the space coast and it's like everything's bought and paid for and there's such a hold over her by her brother that he sends her to all these places and it's like we end up in these twisted places with this, like, essentially, where she can be guarded by other people. I don't even know if it's maybe her being guarded, that it might not have been people watching me. It could have been people like making sure that she's okay, like security or something.

Speaker 2: 54:45

Yeah that, because she's involved with me, so it's quite potential. It could have been that, you know, um so how did it all end then?

Speaker 1: 54:56

I mean, eventually, it had to just yeah it did.

Speaker 2: 54:58

Um, and the I mean visual wise being at least Valley of Rebels, and that was to. I mean, we were in Melbourne. I ended up leaving and going to find my own work. This isn't the end, but I left to go find my own work. I was doing some hurricane relief work. I ended up going to another part of Florida. After that, I shot to New York for a couple of weeks and was kind of making ends meet, trying to clear up some of my stuff with my own family, because I was running and still doing. I didn't really I wasn't attending to any of that when I was taking care of all these things. So I'm in New York, I'm taking care of myself, doing the right thing.

Speaker 2: 55:36

Once again, she reaches out. She reaches out. She's in another part of Florida, another condo, everything set up. Come down, I come down, I'm here for about two, three days. I have a hotel room. I'm like staying there, me and her kind of hooking up, and I'm not staying with her because I don't want to be there. Right. Then it kind of ends with I go back over there and she's still using, and she ends up having a dealer in the house. Personally, I kind of kicked the door open and kicked them out.

Speaker 1: 56:15

Did you have a dealer living with her?

Speaker 2: 56:17

Well, just staying there, with her being there most of the time so she can get high in supply or need, because she just kept getting high, she never stopped. It didn't stop all the cast that.

Speaker 1: 56:27

I felt Were you that guy when you were there.

Speaker 2: 56:30

Yeah, that was kind of the position I filled for both her and her brother.

Speaker 1: 56:33

Yeah, so now there's this other guy.

Speaker 2: 56:36

Yeah, and for her brother, essentially when it all originally started, and then I transitioned into her and it felt like it was too insane, almost that you went to, it was all supported really off of their money. There was no stop to it. Still to this day she called me and told me that recently, after I got into that bit of all the vacation, I ended up getting arrested and now it's dead.

Speaker 1: 57:08

When you kick the door in, you get arrested. I get it.

Speaker 2: 57:14

That was the complete end to it. That was the dead stop of the relationship, but she happened to reach out after. I took care of all that and let me know that her brother passed, ended up dying from stomach cancer, which doesn't like you said. It doesn't make much sense. It doesn't make much sense because, I researched it.

Speaker 1: 57:34

It's a young dude, isn't it? He was early 50s. He was a little bit older than me.

Speaker 2: 57:39

He was a little bit older than her, not much. It didn't make a lot of sense because I tried to research more information about it, but it was just the local newspaper where he wasn't living. It was through another where the company was, so it was almost like a cover-up, essentially just to push him away.

Speaker 1: 58:03

So it's like he's gone, it doesn't get some fucking circles, man, you start running in those circles. I mean, that's like Epstein, he got suicided, right. At least this guy got stomach cancer.

Speaker 2: 58:18

Whatever the fuck it was, it's a little kinder, who knows. I spoke and reached out to him after me and his sister got into RMS. I reached out to him on Facebook and email. He reached out because I was trying to get some contacts in the aerospace industry just for work for my own construction.

Speaker 1: 58:40

Not that he didn't do it.

Speaker 2: 58:51

He just was real standoffish. He was just his runner to get him drugs and do this and do that.

Speaker 1: 58:57

It's like you don't want to cross that. Almost If he's got his business world and his business contacts and his legit business and government people and all that stuff like he doesn't want to cross those worlds, yeah, no.

Speaker 2: 59:10

I didn't see that at first. I just thought that that's who he was all the time, but it wasn't because I didn't know him in any other fashion.

Speaker 1: 59:22

What's a fucking wild story, dude.

Speaker 2: 59:24

Yeah, it happened to all of about two years maybe.

Speaker 1: 59:33

Yeah, the whole, thing, yeah, the whole, thing, the whole kitten caboodle.

Speaker 2: 59:37

But I think within six, eight months we'll do like 100K just getting high, just doing dumb shit, running around Orlando with her sister just spending money frivously, I think it's a no result.

Speaker 1: 59:59

I mean the story was interesting, thanks for sharing it, and that was like you get a peek into I don't know that ultra wealthy world, and then it kind of covers on some of the defense contracting, secret society, shit. I mean it doesn't your story and your experience didn't necessarily solve anything.

Speaker 2: 1:00:20

No but.

Speaker 1: 1:00:21

I think it's just interesting to know that that's out there.

Speaker 2: 1:00:26

Yeah, I didn't expect it.

Speaker 1: 1:00:28

It really it opened my eyes to the fact that you didn't live in that world, you didn't grow up in it.

Speaker 2: 1:00:35

No, these said, well, like groups could really be there and be that dark, like that's it's really happening, like there's that type of thing to it.

Speaker 1: 1:00:46

You're just a normal guy. You come into this and you know, I believe, that there's some fuckery going on. There's definitely a lot of fuckery that we don't know about, and you know, I guess, the more we can learn about it in some way. You know, maybe somebody actually figures out what the fuck's going on. Maybe we don't want to know, maybe it doesn't matter, maybe it's who gives a fuck, but it's interesting and entertaining.

Speaker 2: 1:01:14

Yeah, it was kind of it was entertaining at a time for me just to be involved with it because I thrive off of chaos a little bit Like it was fun for them for the time I was in it. Like it was a project to figure everything out. It was kind of like, and it still doesn't make sense, it's not full circle, where it's like I know every bit of information or like what was really going on or what still may really be going on, because I don't know if Just get back on Tinder.

Speaker 1: 1:01:46

No, I say, we find you another one.

Speaker 2: 1:01:49

No no.

Speaker 1: 1:01:50

Another mystery, another fucking adventure.

Speaker 2: 1:01:52

No, that took too much out of me.

Speaker 1: 1:01:54

Well, thanks for coming on and sharing. I appreciate it. It was a good show and hopefully everyone learned something from it and it's entertaining and it's cool.

Speaker 2: 1:02:06

So thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:02:08

And to the viewers, the listeners, thanks for tuning in. Stay out of trouble and we'll see you in church Till next time.